July 13, 2022

Season 4, Episode 2

Season 4, Episode 2

Gil and Eric discuss hot topics and Queer television

Transcript
Eric:

Hello and welcome to the Q lounge, I'm Eric

Gil:

and I'm Gil.

Eric:

join us as we discuss news stories and life situations, as they relate to the LGBTQIA plus experience, please visit us at theQloungepodcast.com and hit that subscribe button or listen wherever you get your podcasts. If you would like to follow us on social media, you can hit us up on Facebook @theQloungepodcast or on Instagram or Twitter @theQlounge. Hello and welcome to the Q lounge. I'm Eric

Gil:

and I'm Gil.

Eric:

And welcome back to another session in the Q lounge. Another chill time. Yes. How are you? Gill? I am roasting to death here. in the bay area area. It's quite toasty. in the bay. Really? That's so weird.

Gil:

It's been in the, yeah, it was in the eighties and it, my God doesn't help. We don't have AC cuz it's normally much cooler. So

Eric:

I, yeah, it's like

Gil:

usually like 60. Yeah. So I am quite red. red like a tomato right now.

Eric:

it's very hot. Hot. How are you? It's very hot in Albuquerque. That's not shocking though. but we're having our, we had our monsoons like a month too early, oh really? Yeah. So I think we're on the tail end of our monsoons now. And it. Slightly humid on top of the 90 plus degree weather. And it got to over a hundred, early June, late may, before it was actually summer. But it's, so it's been pretty hot out here, but that's Albuquerque in the summertime, so very

Gil:

true. But at least you guys are getting your wet season again.

Eric:

Yeah, we are. After all the fire relatively after all the fires, just now we have floods, poison our whole 0.2 inches of rain in a day. So just a couple things to talk about really quickly. We are back obviously. Hello. And I know our last episode kind of dropped on a Friday. We are getting back to our Wednesday schedule, but we were just trying to get an episode out there for you guys. And we wanted to be back sooner than later. So that's why the scheduling got messed up. So we are gonna be back on Wednesdays technically. We will, even though we're off hiatus and we've been on hiatus forever and we just came back, we will actually be skipping a week, I think in two weeks. Yes. Cause Gil will be out of the country celebrating his birthday. He's turning twenty, twenty six is what I claim or 26. OK, sure. We'll claim 26. Okay. If you guys want to send him something or send him a nice little message, you can leave us, leave him a message@theqloungepodcast.com or an email at info dot the Q lounge, gmail.com. I think you can even leave voicemails on our website as well oh, we've fancy. You can do all that. If you wanna wish Gil a happy birthday, I'll just wish you a happy birthday now, even though I'll see you and talk to you before then. And on the day of so Gill and I had planned on doing a pretty light and fluffy episode, cause I know our last couple episodes have been a little bit intense, a little I, to

Gil:

be fair, just a lot going on.

Eric:

There is a lot. Yeah. There's a lot going on and so much so that it's just gonna spill over into this episode. So we're gonna start with that. Okay. And then we're gonna hope to get to the light and fluffy stuff later. And if not, then you'll just, we'll see what happens.

Gil:

Our podcast. We do what we

Eric:

want. Exactly. That's that's and that's what it is. Yeah. Let's start with

Gil:

gay.

Eric:

Don't say gay. Don't let's start, don't say gay. So let's start with Florida. Why not?

Gil:

Oh, bless Florida's heart.

Eric:

So everyone knows about the, don't say gay bill. We didn't really talk about it cause we were on hiatus, but just, you don't know, I forgot what the technical term is. Like parents protection for kids education or something like that, where they are basically, you're not allowed to talk about homosexuality. You're not allowed to

Gil:

talk, correct? Yeah. It's the parental rights and education act.

Eric:

Okay. I was close. Yeah. Just not as eloquent. That's. Oh say gay essentially. Yeah, don't say gay. So if they're deeming things inappropriate on what you can say, depending on the age limit and or the age of the student and everything else, and there's provisions in there that if the students have come out to the teacher, that the teachers report it to the parents. So therefore outing the child, which is completely detrimental, especially if you're coming from a religious fanatical household or just depending on the culture in which you are raised that can have serious repercussions and harmful. Side effects, help outing a child like that. And I know a lot of the educators are very upset about it. If they're in a same sex relationship, they can't have any family photos out. A lot of them are now scared to wear rainbows. They have been instructed to take down their safe space, stickers and placards. So those students don't have those safe spaces to go to, to talk to them. And they also have to formulate lists in which if a student has come out to them or a student has transitioned or anything else like that, that they are to like send the list of students to the parents. So the parents can decide whether they want their kids to go on field trips or have sleepovers or whatever else with these other children. So basically outing the child to everyone. You're taking that. Child's. You're taking away that from the child, that's an important part of our journey. Is realization, acceptance. You get to decide when you're coming out or if you're even coming out, not everyone needs to come out, but now you're forcing the hand. Correct. Which we all know how vehemently against that I am. Yeah. And I think you are it as well, Gil. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's nobody's right. No, one's right. So I do know that the wonderful gen Z, cuz they're just amazing. Again, they're gonna save this world. Have basically put it into if you're gonna out one person and you're gonna put this person on the list and you're gonna put us all on the list and we're all gonna say we're gay. So the students aren't feeling singled out and I'm like that's awesome. I'm sure there's some that are like, I'm not doing that. My parents won't let me have that. And that's, I'm not gonna blame the child cause we learn hate through our parents. And then maybe later in society, but it's rooted in our parents. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any thoughts on that Gil?

Gil:

This is for anyone, especially our matured audience. This is very Anita Bryant thinking very quickly Gil say this way, our safe, our children crusade at that bitch had back in 19 70, 87 in Dade county. And this should sound familiar. And like I said, history is just repeating itself except on a grander scale. Now that it's affecting the entire state. And it's just like with Eric, I completely, this is just a particular, this is the same thing, especially, I don't understand the hypocrisy within the conservative party of this. Overreach over, overstepping of the government's purpose. It is none of their damn right. This should be done to this. The regular educator should be regulating it, not politician. They should stay out of the education system. That's not the specialty. It has, especially with that, it took me, it's a form of early discrimination. It's almost having to declare what your racial background is. Oh, this could be black people here. Are we all okay with this? it's the same thing to me, it's all in the same ballpark of that's affecting these kids' future, to to property, to, all of the, everything that were granted under the constitution. So I do find it very hypocritical that they're now getting involved with it. And it's, like I said, that journey for us, especially if anyone who is coming to terms with their sexuality, even my. Obvious

Eric:

to others. You cut out go.

Gil:

Oh, sorry. Even though it was very obvious to others about my sexuality, but even it took time for me to come to it to

Eric:

hello. There we We're having technical difficulty. Sorry. is going AirPods.

Gil:

Okay. Give a second. You okay. Okay. I think I should be okay now for now. I'd have to probably get new mics. she did. Okay. Lemme turn the ball. Cause I can't hear. Okay. Go and speak.

Eric:

Okay. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you.

Gil:

Okay. Okay. I don't know where I'm at, where my train of thought is.

Eric:

You were saying for anyone, who's had to make the journey of coming out and even for you even though it was obvious to other people and then that's where we cut out. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Gil:

Okay. So yeah, so that's, it is, I don't know, for me, it's just, still not it's none of the government's business or any teacher's business, it just down to the, it just cut straight down to the individual. I think that's why I'm just it's to me, very. To kill you. It's not,

Eric:

Then I think it's also very dangerous too, because we're supposed to trust our educators and now you're putting them in this position where they can't be trusted by certain students and students aren't gonna feel safe. And you could have these educators who have always been that safe space in that Haven for individual students. And now they have nowhere to go. Because of this, you don't even have your LGBTQ groups right. In school because that's now against the rules too. And then they use the whole thing of oh, we don't want our seven year olds learning about anal sex. Yeah, neither do I also don't want them learning about vaginal sex either. Correct. So you are putting your own insecurities. On this child on something that you know nothing about and something that you are afraid, quote unquote, afraid of. Correct. And you are putting your ignorance is being driven by your fear and your fear is controlling your whole thought process when there's no legitimate reason for that to even exist. Correct. Did I say that properly? Yeah.

Gil:

But it's very true though. I guess I'm trying to understand this. When did, in the American culture, did we lose trust in the educators? And then we deemed the parents more knowledgeable than the people educating your children that you're trusting to educate your children. That's what I'm curious about because this it's not just the politician involved. I think there's also, the parents are to blame I'm not a parent. I don't know how it is, but I, at one point, did we lose faith in it in educators as a country? So

Eric:

here's, I'm just curious. Here's my answer. I don't know if it's right, but here's my answer. Here's my opinion. it's when we started to allow parents to demand that Christianity be taught again. I don't even hope again, just to be taught.

Gil:

Is it these cheap parents who can't afford to private Catholic schools or private Christian schools? Who're trying to force in public education pretty much. I'm like go a private school.

Eric:

Yeah. And you have what Texas has just now done it where public funding, you can now use your public funding to send your child to Christian schools and religious schools. Yeah, no, that's a no go And the Supreme court actually struck down Maine, cuz Maine was saying that you could not use your public funding for. The private Christian schools and it had to do with a small, like a small town, like rural area though. But the Supreme court struck it down and I was like, no, they have every right. Of course. Cuz they're, they've not even blurred the line of church and state. They've just eradicated the church and state yeah. The line's gone the line of Christianity in states.

Gil:

Yeah. Not, it looks to be specific. It's not religion. Yeah. It's not religious freedom since

Eric:

And then you have this 13, I think she was 13 years old who was protesting in Florida that don't say gay bill. And she got arrested cuz she's like the only one who's outwardly queer. Supposedly there a bunch of adults there. None of them got arrested this 13 year old who was wearing a pride flag, got arrested and you know what? They arrested her for what they arrested her for, not having a permit to use her megaphone. Oh, for fucks sake, I'm gonna let that sit in for a little minute. A megaphone, how many people use megaphones that have permits?

Gil:

They can guarantee minimum.

Eric:

Yeah. they said it was a, they said it was a noise violation. And like in two o'clock in the afternoon, I don't know exactly what time it was, but the sun was out

Gil:

That is ridiculous.

Eric:

So that's happening. Then you have the governor of Alabama who just signed a horrendous anti-trans bill, basically criminalizing transitioning, criminalizing are holding doctors and medical professionals responsible for The transitioning of the, of anyone who's under 19 and allowing for the detransition of youth and that's super detrimental. There's tons of studies that show that the earlier a child can transition the better for their health and for their livelihood. And she has now signed that bill into place and that it, that bill came out four days after the overturn of R V w. And it's using a lot of the same language that is in the opinion of Alito. His overturn of R V w saying that like, where they're saying that abortion's not in the constitution. So the right to abortion is not technically. In the constitution, they're saying the same thing about transition rights and human rights to transition. And they're using that excuse and they're falling back on that rhetoric.

Gil:

We are living in 2022 with the most conservative Supreme courts as pre 1931, to put that in perspective. So you have to think of it, this is like almost a hundred ago, like during the depression. Yes. Yeah. And it's the same thing is that representative of the people that are right now of the voting population of the way that we as a country think, and this is just absolutely bullshit in the way that they're eroding every progress that has happened. And they're, like I said, it's the constitution and I've always, maybe it's just old school thinking. It's just, it's a living, breathing document it's made to be. Evolve with the people to be updated. It's not all inclusive. For fuck sake, the Bible was updated. Yeah. So I don't understand how the Bible could be updated, but the constitution is just black and white all or nothing. It is what it is. No, it's not. That's bullshit. We know that. Yeah. Everything evolves. Everything moves forward. Cuz otherwise the social contract ceases to exist. Why bother listening to it? Then you start scratch, burn the bitch. Let's start a new one.

Eric:

I agree with that. I agree

Gil:

with that. It's not being radical. It's just, that's what the purpose is. It has to benefit the people. Why might it's like, why would it be paying for taxes for it to be going against me? That's stupid. Exactly. I'm paying the government so that they could provide services. That will benefit me otherwise. Why would I give you money? It doesn't make any damn sense. I'm not sleeping with the government. Fuck that. but I'm giving you money so that you can help protect, nice roads or my, infrastructure, drinking, water. Yeah. Stuff like that. So I guess that's the part I'm just trying, I'm struggling to understand is when the courts decide to interpret everything, it's so black and white, especially coming from a black justice, married to a white woman, and that was argued under a privacy that doesn't apparently exist. So why is that being ignored?

Eric:

I'm just saying, yeah, if you're in, you gotta go all in, go

Gil:

all in don't pick and choose like you're Christian faith or American. This is, we have a there's in choosing

Eric:

that's all's here's my thing, too. When your, to why you're doing something is your religion, then it's no longer valid. So if you're saying that oh we're gonna take away the rights of trans people and we're gonna force detransition of the youth right. Then. Why? Because God made boys and God made girls. Okay. We're not talking about God. Correct. If that is your reasoning and your excuse it's invalid.

Gil:

Yeah,

Eric:

absolutely. And then you have people like Lauren Bober out in Colorado. I don't know how they nominate elected her. Who's talking about we need to go back into church and I'm sick and tired of hearing about the separation of church and state. That's not, there's no such thing and we need to get our kids back into church and out of the drag Queens and out of the pedophiles hands and blah, blah, blah. Okay. I'm sick and tired of the equating of pedophilia. To the LGBTQ community. that's absolutely disgusting. And Lauren Bobert is the last person to talk because her husband actually pled guilty to exposing himself to a minor. So her husband is therefore a sex offender. So how she's even in the house? I don't understand stand correct. But come on now, what sense does that make

Gil:

it doesn't and this is why we need to educate people. This is what education is key. Yeah. You cause otherwise you allow stupid people to get into office because something that the for founders probably forgot to put was better rec better requirements to get these people elected. Yes. I, everyone talks about money. Money is a good portion of it, but also stupid people put stupid people in office. You don't know what the fuck you're voting for. You're like, oh, I like their Tibi are quick. One sentence, snarky remarks. This person's gonna run your for the next four years, your taxes and everything, to get you your clean water to get for your public education. They have effects. There's bigger side effects to this. It's not just putting an asshole in office. And that's why I think we probably should have asked for more qualifications what makes 'em qualified to get into

Eric:

office? Yeah, they should take like basic like aptitude tests or something. Oh, for fuck sake. Yes. We have to take them all through school

Gil:

every fucking month. I have a new goddamn training at work. Yeah. You would think these people would get some kind of basic training on us. I you're trying to uphold so. We're not here to uphold the Bible. Fuck it. Burn the damn thing. That's not what you're upholding. That's what youre being elected for.

Eric:

Can we please burn the Bible?

Gil:

that's on your private talk.

Eric:

I actually had a whole discussion about this last night.

Gil:

Yeah. And this is the thing. These people elected are on our dime. we're paying for their salaries. That's what I don't understand their lifetime salaries. Correct. This is why we demand more outta demand. More of them you put em in off is you're paying them. You're paying their salary is the same thing. Expectation for police. You don't like the way that they are overturned. It you're, they're paid by us by the people.

Eric:

I just saw them free. I just saw such a maddening story. I wanna say it was in WPO where there was a candlelight vigil for Jaylen Walker, who we talked about. I think in our last episode or two episodes, I think in our last episode, and he was shot 60 times for a traffic violation, just as a reminder to our audience, they had a candlelight vigil in which James Blake's family was there and Brianna Taylor's family was there. And they're saying they got to Brianna's Taylor, Brianna Taylor's family was recording the cops. Arresting. I think they were arresting James Blake's family because they were intervening when the cops were beating up Jaylen Walker's family at his vigil. Something to that extent. Oh my God. I was like, seriously that tells you everything. That's wrong with this country again. And then you have people on the other side crying because, oh my gosh, Brett Kavanaugh had to leave a steakhouse in DC because of the protests, because there were a bunch of protestors outside and it was so loud. He had no interaction with the protestors, just that it was very loud. And he, him and his party had to exit from the back of the restaurant to get away from the protestors. And oh no, the justices have people protesting at their houses day and night because people are pissed off and, oh, it's just not fair to them. And it's infringing on their rights and their right to privacy, which no longer exists. Motherfucker.

Gil:

Yeah. I was gonna say like double check. I know RA all that being in the constitution. If you wanna be technical again, you wanna go that route? It can't be both ways.

Eric:

No, it can't be

Gil:

this woman. I is an implied thing. It's it should not have to be written now. And I think that's the. If anyone's done their history, especially with regards to the, within the constitution, having the amendments, the bill of rights. It's that it's the issue was that if you start listing 'em out, people are gonna want to have technicals technicalities with it. If you don't list it out, then it's gonna be the same exact argument. It wasn't technically stated as we're having this fucking argument right now over privacy so it's that back and forth. And to me, like I said, it's just mind your fucking business. Privacy should be already there. We should to be talking about that. It's more how the government's gonna, I don't know, create new solutions so that we don't kill mother earth and within our lifetime. Yeah, but we, don't a better question. We're talking about goddamn abortion. We've been talking about this for 50 plus years. We're talking about thinking, right? This has been going on forever at this point. It's ridiculous. Ask more of your people that she would elected into office. What more can we do?

Eric:

So here's a cool story for you. There's a woman. This outta Texas. This woman, her name is Brandy. I don't know what her last name is. She gets pulled over by the cops because she's driving in the HOV lane or the carpool lane. Did you see the story? Yes. I've heard this one. Yeah. OK. So she gets pulled over and the cops are like, you know why you got pulled over? No. You're driving in the carpool lane and it's just so you I'm 34 weeks pregnant. So this is a person. So technically I'm not no, that's not true. You're the person needs to be in the car. No, this is a person you can't have it both ways and say, oh, it's a person when you're saying I can't have a person, can't have an abortion, but now you're saying it's not a person because you're gonna gimme this ticket.

Gil:

Ha you

Eric:

can't have it both ways. Yeah, you cannot. So is on those motherfuckers? I think they still ticketed her like two $50 or something, but I was super proud of her. And yeah, I think we should go ahead. I was gonna say, but isn't

Gil:

it true?

Eric:

It's very true. And you totally did the whole head slide too. Cause that's how convinced you're.

Gil:

I I am living for that because it's true. Yeah, me too. You can't have it. You cannot have it both ways. We all know it is not a day until it's born. Like it's the life it no. It can't be both ways. It cannot. It's oh, technically there's no baby. She's pregnant, right? It's another living thing that you guys are all fighting for tooth and nail about. Yeah. Pain.

Eric:

And you guys are fighting tooth and nail for the clump of cells. 34 weeks. That's pretty developed. Technically you could live on its own. Now.

Gil:

I love it. The group was, the Christian group was so anti-science, but suddenly they're all scientists. It's a miracle how that

Eric:

happens. Cause pretty soon we're gonna be learning about creationism of course again, and then everyone's gonna be like why did this adapt that way? And that adapt that way. I don't know cuz of the laws of evolution, motherfucker, but we're not gonna learn that.

Gil:

Oh, my gosh. Ridiculous. On a positive note, we went through pride

Eric:

month. Yes we did.

Gil:

How did you watch any, was there anything that might have dropped midway through the month that you might have watched and felt about June felt about? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, no, I don't know. I show that.

Eric:

Yes. Do we wanna talk about that one first? I guess let's just talk about it first. Okay. Yes. Love Victor dropped June 15th. Everyone knows I'm a huge love Victor fan. I think we both are huge love Victor fans. I can't just claim it just because I'm a Salazar doesn't mean I get to claim it all for myself.

Gil:

He was named after you obviously,

Eric:

obviously. Yeah. Yeah, I love Victor dropped everybody. So if you haven't seen the third season, you should see the third season. It's I think it was a great little bow on an amazing show. Sadly, this was the last season and I'm actually really heartbroken about the fact that this is the last season. I've watched it four times and that's only been out a couple weeks, so I've watched it four times. Three of those times were like in the same week, but I thought it was, I really liked it. So my, I have one main gripe about season three. Okay. I guess we could say two, but one of them carried on through the out the whole series itself. So my biggest gripe about season three is that it was only eight episode. Yeah. And because there was only eight episodes and they jammed it. So packed with all these stories that were happening, there was no room to breathe. And so none of the stories could actually breathe. None of the characters could breathe. They could have easily given us 10 episodes and still just had just a little bit of space. Correct. And maybe more delicately tied off the stories that they did. But overall, I liked it. I would say my, as far as the series is concerned, it was season one holds a special place in my heart. Of course, season three, they, I think it was just really well done overall. And then season two, which here's my thing with season two, like I really liked season two. I just didn't like the last episode and I hated the PE situation, but that was the terrible change. Yeah. But season two had some of the best scenes of the whole series in it, like episode three, when him and Mia are talking about how, if he knew when they were dating and how she still loved him and how she felt like she couldn't be mad at him because him coming out was the most important thing in his life. And she wish she wishes she could have just been there for him, but she needed that time. And like that scene to me is amazing. And then the scene where his mom finally gets it, correct. That was impactful was so impactful. I still cry crying. Now, just even talking about the scene so season two was really good. It was just that last episode. Let's talk about season three now, since, so we just did like a little thing. I wanna get your opinion on it. And then we can actually critique episode by episode or storyline by storyline or character by character, however are gonna do it. We'll probably jump around a whole bunch. So we like the

Gil:

spoilers people so's

Eric:

yes, there's tons and tons of spoilers. So if you haven't watched it, which you should have, but if you haven't watched it, you may not wanna listen to the rest of this episode until you have watched it, then come back and listen to this episode.

Gil:

Yes. I agree with you season three, I have such a weird feeling about where I like where they close most of the storylines. I do agree. I like kind they at least broke off the P like situation, Maya had her love story. We had, Rahi having his love story that he deserved well deserves. Jesus Christ. I adored him. I think I'm still in that boat of not. I wish if they, I wish they gave him the two extra two episodes. Yes. Stretch out the storyline a little bit more. I'm glad they did the backstory about Benji. He deserved it. Yes. I think they could have done a better job of either. Really. I felt like they were trying to pull, if you watch Harry Potter pulling a professor snake at the very end or suddenly if you know that, Snape does the eye drops and everyone sees the true feelings about him, how he actually cared to do what he could have protect Harry and he was actually a good guy under it all. I think

Eric:

he I've never seen Harry Potter oh, okay.

Gil:

I read. They should have, oh, they should have ran with it. Ran with that with Ben, if they were gonna make him that Dick, that he was to a degree, cuz we didn't understand his backstory and we got it. I felt he should have really drove at home that he's going through a lot. He's going through a lot. This is, I think he should have been a little bit more forthcoming about certain things instead of forcing the relationship. They forced their relationship at the very end. That's why

Eric:

I didn't care for it. So here's my thing. So like you think season, we're just talking about Benji now. Yeah. I've never been a big Benji fan. Like everyone who's talked to me about this show. I am not a Benji fan. I do not like the character. He lost me in episode four of season one. he had me when he did the whole battle of the bands call me maybe cover. I was like, oh my God. So cute. And then he lost me. He peaked after that. That was it. Yeah. Like episode four. He pissed me off episode seven. I was very angry. And then, yeah, it just never recovered from there. But you have to think about in season one we were, we're seeing it technically just through Victor's eyes. So in season one, like Benji, is this perfect person. Correct. And that's why, quote unquote, cuz he wasn't, he was red flaggy for me, but yeah, absolutely. We're seeing it as this perfect person because we're just seeing Victor's rose colored glass through rose colored glasses and his confused lenses. Cuz he was still very confused in season one, season two, they actually peeled back where it wasn't just how it wasn't just Victor's perception. It was correct how things were happening and who they were, how lives were interacting. I didn't like Benji at all in season two either. I could not stand him in season two. I did however want him to be behind the door at the end of season two and the beginning of season three, I felt it should have been him and not Rahe and I was right. It was Benji behind the door. Yeah. I actually really loved their little reconciliation talking moment. I thought it was really beautiful and sweet. I really did enjoy that. I wasn't expecting the storyline with him, for him to have started drinking again. Especially since they like in season two, they made it a thing like, oh, when we were having vodka, like I just drink orange juice and they literally show him grab another cup. Correct. In episode four when they're playing, never have I ever, so that was weird to me. And then he's oh no, I've been drinking and that's fine. We've, as we've talked about, like relapse is a very real part of recovery, correct? Oh, no, absolutely. So season three actually made me like Benji because I understood him. And I understood his trauma. Correct. And I got to see how he was shaped due to his trauma. Correct. And so I actually really liked Benji in season three and I felt actually bad for Benji in season three. And I was happy with the way they ended Benji and Victor in season three. I will agree you and I have talked about this off the cast, but I would've been fine if Victor would've been by ended by himself. That would've been that would've been fine. I would've been totally cool with that, but I appre I'm a sappy hopeless romantic person. Why I don't know. So I was fine with, I was fine with it ending how they got, he got on. The Ferris wheel with him and they rode around and do you, how do you think it would've been if we would've rode together that first night? I don't, I didn't want that. Cuz now it's not us. This is our story. And it's a perfect story for us. I'm like, oh, that's a beautiful line. You have to also think this is based off of love Simon or Simon versus the ho SAPN agenda. So they had, they ended with their true love in the Ferris will. So this was just mirroring what happened yeah. In the movie of love Simon. So and I love. I love the movie. Love Simon. Yes. It's very problematic in its own ways. And love Victor was problematic in some of its own ways. Although I think love Victor was an amazing show so that's why I wasn't mad about that. I thought it was fine. And I appreciated getting to know Benji Moore. It goes to show that you can't judge a book by its cover. Correct. His father was an ass hat. His mother. I didn't like the fact that they got a different actress, but the original actress probably just wasn't available. So it's such a minor role that yeah, I noticed. I know. Who else noticed. Yeah I liked Benji. This season. Rahe was a rock star still. Oh my God. Yes. So I liked him. I wish we would've gotten a little bit more of the Muslim storyline cause it felt very like Tropic to me, like just a trope that we go on oh, he's Muslim. His uncle's Muslim from Iran. They don't like gay people. I don't know. I felt like we could have, again, there was not enough room for storylines to breathe. So I felt like correct. They could have given a little bit more expansion to that storyline and given us a little bit more and then it would've pushed it out and smoothed out some of those edges.

Gil:

Even when they brought in the random gay kid, that was part of their group project, it was, oh, Liam. Yeah. It was just like, okay, you're here. And he disappears for two episodes. And at the very end, oh, here he is again, like I said, it's they wanted to start new things. It's I don't know. Yeah. They needed that extra two episodes that leave

Eric:

minimum. I think so too. It was fine to introduce him. But here's my other thing too. Yeah. Wouldn't Victor have known because maybe he didn't have, maybe Liam didn't have a picture on his app. I don't know. That's very possible. Cause not every there's tons of like headless torsos and just blank profiles on dating apps or quote unquote dating apps, hooked up apps, fucking apps, whatever you wanna call them. Yeah. But you would've thought Victor's oh wow. There's a gay person. Who's two feet away from me. It's not Felix. Yeah. Yeah, so that was a little hokey to me. But overall, like the Liam part, just maybe storylines the storyline for Liam was just weird. It was weird and unnecessary. The only reason why, the only reason why it was there honestly, was to have someone to pawn Nick off on. Correct. Cause they ended up together. Nick, if you guys haven't watched it yet, is the guy that Isabelle Victor's mom sets him up with from the church and he's supposed to be this like bad boy, heart thro. He did nothing for me.

Gil:

I didn't know.

Eric:

Like I understand where he's attractive and I've seen pictures of him like on social media and all this other stuff. He's got a beautiful body, whatever, if that's still the thing doesn't do anything. I'm sorry. He, I didn't, he wasn't my type and he just came off as creepy to me. Yeah. So that was a little. Odd. I did like that. They gave an odd to hook up culture, cuz that is a very relevant part of gay culture. So that was good. That was necessary. I was very happy. I have to say this. I was very happy when PI Lada decided no, you know what, Felix, you don't deserve me because you're so quick to sell me out. And I applaud that because I was so happy that they broke up. I know that's wrong. I agree with cause so many people shipped them, but no, I do not think they Ugh. And so I was very happy when they broke up or when she broke up with him. I know a lot of people love Felix, the character. I loved him season one, like to me, he was amazing season one and he was really good episode one through six of season two and then. He, I got so irritated with him and so annoyed and frustrated with him as a character that I actually ended up despising him. And I disliked him more than Benji. Oh wow. And even going back and watching season one, cuz I've seen season one 40 times people I know that's pathetic, but I've seen it 40 times. Times going back and watching season one after the season two lens, I can't even stand Felix in season one now. Cause he's damn, oh lake let's do this. Let me do this. You're so great. And I'm like, you're lying to her. You're gonna break her heart. You're lying to her. You're just trying to get into her pants. So fuck you. That is my whole like perception of Felix now. So even in season three, like I, he had no redeeming qualities to me other than he was a good friend to Victor.

Gil:

Yeah. He was a good friend to Victor.

Eric:

He was a very good to yeah I had, no, I was so happy when they broke up and I know a lot of people disagree with me, but whatever, this is our podcast. We can, it's our podcast.

Gil:

This is what I see. My thing with Felix is I felt bad for him because of, I think the trauma he dealt with his mother having, I agree with that or, and stuff like that. That's the only reason for me. Like I understood him in that regard was that, what he had to deal with and that back and forth, he could have lost his entire family. And he went to a very dark into his own depression without realizing probably that he was in it. And he didn't make the necessarily the best choices per se. But, I hate Benji. I still cannot red flags all the way through. I, no, I'll be very honest. I could not, I don't. There's nothing about him as

Eric:

redeemable. I don't red flag him any I don't red flag him anymore. I

Gil:

can't

Eric:

he's red flag. I don't think trauma deserves to be red flagged. He

Gil:

is not, but the thing is they made Victor just whatever he could is just I'm it's like they couldn't have just worked as friends. They couldn't have been, it's more, I'm just gonna do anything. It's regarding my emotions, how I'm getting hurt or my own things. There's no talking about it. He's young. It just pizza could do, regardless. I, okay. I don't agree. Like at some point you have your own preservation.

Eric:

Yeah. But at that age you're like in love with being in love and your head over heels. That's your first love the thing is this show, the whole, all three seasons took place throughout the course of one year, which was odd. Yeah. And they're juniors. So they, there's a whole senior year. That's gonna happen that we don't get to see But at that point, like you're in love. So as it ends, you're like, okay, like they ended in a relationship that they want to be together. Correct. But it may not work out. We don't know. Correct. It's very open to interpretation. Correct. I, yeah, I, like I said I disagree with you on Benji through season three. Yeah. Season one and two. Yeah, we're right there with each other. Yeah. Season three though. I just believe it within

Gil:

season three. I think at that point, I'm just like, are we throwing a lifeline for him so that he's redeemable or why we keep him? I dunno at the same time, it's it's not Victor's job to be the cleanup or to be completely I don't know. It just, I, but I

Eric:

don't think he was expecting Victor to be his cleanup because he was still want, kept doing

Gil:

this back and forth. I don't want you, but I want you, but I'm so good at

Eric:

because he want, but the thing is he wanted Victor. He wanted to be with Victor, but his parents were forbidding it. And so it was very much like AR Romeo Juliet type of thing of my parents. Aren't gonna let me be with you, blah, blah, blah. But I do love you. And then once he was able to assess the situation for himself and analyze like cost benefit and assess, I guess yeah, he was like, no, Victor is actually good for me. He is healthy for me. Victor makes me a better person. You guys are wrong and you guys are my trigger and I'm gonna take control of my life now because I have fucked it up so much. And I'm going to give this another shot because I truly love him. And he loves me. That's how I looked at it.

Gil:

See, I think he did like a Felix where he was willing to drop Victor right off the bat, which he did. It took him several episodes to finally come to the conclusion. Oh, maybe it is my parents that are not it. I think he was willing to jump to drop Victor as quickly as he possibly could to figure it out. That's why I didn't agree. I was like, I get it. I we're doing a whole back story it's so that to affect his trouble, but I didn't, he did not put in the fight either. I didn't see it that way. You, I saw it as it's you sorry, piece out. Oh, but I still love you, but I can be with you. I just didn't buy it. I, to me, it's a red flag.

Eric:

See, I didn't see that though. Cause like he was even like, he would look over at Victor to see how Victor was doing. And there was still that he wants the

Gil:

attention on himself. I just didn't buy it. He was, he dropped him. He did. It's just like when Rick can kiss him, they were on a. It was all on. Everything's been on Benji's

Eric:

terms? No I was not mad at the kiss from Rahe cause they were on a break. I agree with that. It was like the whole Rachel, it was like the whole Rachel and Ross thing. They were on a all 16 pages front and back. Sorry. That's a friend's reference. Yeah I think you and I are just going disagree. That one we're not yeah. On the Benji situ, but everyone else is

Gil:

everyone. Else's I love where it ended. I was happy.

Eric:

Yeah. I want, I wanted more lake and Lucy I feel like we didn't get enough of them. I loved, I liked their dynamic. I loved their dynamic a lot. I really

Gil:

did enjoyed, greatly enjoyed them.

Eric:

I felt bad for Adrian because the actor, Mateo, Fernandez just completely aged out of that role. Like he had three scenes in the whole season. Yeah. And basically he aged out of the role. He went from being like a six year old kid to a 15 year old child. And, yeah. There was not much to do. Mia and Andrew, like I, Andrew had such a complete, 180 from season one now to me, like lake had the greatest character arc from season one to season three, she high arc in season two and it just continued through season three. I think she had the best character arc. I think Andrew had the best character turnaround. Yeah. And. I liked Andrew. I have always been a fan of Andrew. I have said since season one, everyone was sleeping on Andrew. I wanted to sleep with Andrew, but everyone was sleeping on Andrew. I think part of it is also, I'm a huge fan. I was a huge fan of Cuba Gooding Jr. His father. Yeah. Boys in the hood is like my favorite movie of all time and Cuba getting JRS in that movie. Like I love that movie. I've seen that movie at least as many times as I've seen season one of love, Victor, maybe more. I love that movie. So there's a special place in my heart. Also for that. Mia has been my favorite character since season one. Victor, I love the Victor character, but, and I identify very pretty closely with the Victor character in a lot of ways. But Mia has been my favorite character since season one. Yeah, I felt like in season three, she didn't really, she wasn't an integral part of it, but she wasn't, her storyline wasn't completely necessary. Like after the first episode with her mother and them tying up that storyline, there was really not much else. Like she got her family. Yeah. But I felt see this is where I felt. And I think this is what you're saying with Benji and Victor she just basically what's the word I'm looking for? I don't wanna say gave up, but basically was like, okay, this is the family I've always wanted. So now I'm just gonna go over here and just do this with, without any respect or concept of what I want for myself. Now I have a family, so let move to Palo Alto. The, there was no, there was nothing really to tie up with their storyline cuz they her whole storyline was tied up in episode one and then she was just there as a player. Now I will say cuz they had, they did the same thing that they did in season two, season one, they had a big party at her house. She loves black caviar. Cause every time they show her house and someone is walking into her house, they were playing black caviar music. That was interesting. Deep dive into that type of stuff. When it comes to love Victor that big, I am that big of a fan.

Gil:

It is sad. I wonder gonna have a spinoff or something.

Eric:

I don't know that we're gonna have a spinoff. They probably do love Liam. But the thing is you really can't do a spinoff because then they, those characters still have to be in the background. Correct. So in seven years, you might have love Justine or something. I don't know. Correct. Or my wishful selfish thinking or hope is that in four years we'll have a little reunion episode or little reunion movie. And we can see where all of our favorite characters are and see how, who broke up and who stayed together. Who got bangs, who got boobs, who got a boyfriend? Ah, like they did in episode two, season two. That's yeah. That's my wish. I still, I think they could have gone another season easily.

Gil:

I thought at least season but's senior year. Yeah. I,

Eric:

I don't know. I'm just kind shocked, but I guess it's just like now life goes on and life is just a teenage life. So you just get a glimpse into things. But he, you know what, he went through a lot in that one year of self realization, self-accepting battling the patriarchy through his mother which is interesting and in itself, and then finding himself and discovering what was he needed for himself in his life. And his little brave speech was very beautiful and very impactful, not just for the characters who are like, I'm gonna be brave and leave and blah, blah, blah. Even for me, I was like, oh my God, that's a very beautiful speech.

Gil:

It was cute. I like, like I said, that part, everything up. I totally enjoyed it overall, if that makes sense. Yeah. Overall, I still really enjoy the, in the series and it's gonna be a sucker

Eric:

for it. I'm assuming you're gonna totally disagree with me here. Oh, but my favorite episode of season three was episode five, which is the Lucas in Diego episode. I loved that episode. I thought that was just a sweet episode. It was a very raw episode. Like they actually got to talk to each other through their feelings with no apprehension and no pretense because they met under like weird circumstances. And then they were able to what they odd Yeah, exactly. So that's terrible. I loved that episode. I actually, that was my favorite episode of the whole season.

Gil:

Yeah, I'm trying to think what my fav, I don't know if I really had a, because I think most of my favorite moments would've came outta the season two. But season three, like I said, it was just like one, I just felt like it was just a lot jam packed in very much. So I was just like, oh my God. Oh my God. I really, it was just a lot. Yeah. To, for sure pull apart. Like my initial thoughts were like, oh my God, this is like a dumpster fire at first. But cause they could have added like two more episodes if they could, they at least stretch it out where you're just like okay. This is where just said four more. I don't care. How many, just to give it a little bit more okay, here we are. Everyone's supposed concluded. We're concluded and we're gonna end it on the and done. Yeah. I

Eric:

just, no, I agree with you. And I will say like I said before, season one is my favorite. Yeah. And episode eight of season one is probably my favorite episode of the whole series. Oh yes. And then when he came out to Felix and the way Felix was there for him, loved it. That was like when Felix was a rock star to me still. Yeah. I loved all of that. Season two, again was the one I liked the least of all the seasons, but it had some of the most important scenes and moments throughout the whole series. Yeah, I agree. So I would say, I would agree with you that my favorite scenes overall, excluding episode eight, and him coming out to Felix, all my favorite scenes probably were in season two

Gil:

out of the last, let said right before, because one of my favorite episodes was him and Raim that episode, where they went to go, just be free. They were going skip school. They were going around to, I enjoyed,

Eric:

I enjoyed the episode, but to me it was like a silly episode. Like it was hit or miss for me. Like I enjoyed it. I loved the whole club scene and the nod to a gay club for sure. And the way they sang that what's that song that Justin Bieber song.

Gil:

Oh yeah. I know who you're talking about.

Eric:

I loved their version. I think it sounded better than the JB version. Yeah. So I really liked it. The scene with his mother again

Gil:

was when she came to

Eric:

that, yes. Was one of the best scenes in the, it was reminiscent of Jennifer Garner's scene and loved Simon. And I cry for both of those scenes. Yeah, that scene right there. That's what to, so to me, when I watched season two, I was like episode one through eight was like a perfect season, episode nine. I'm pulling it in there only because of that one scene. Yeah, I like that they ditched school and that was fun. Whatever. But because of that scene with his mom, one through nine was the perfect season. Yeah. 10 should just not even be in it. Because that scene is so impactful again. And then, so was the scene with him and Mia, like I loved that scene with him and Mia. Cool. And then I loved the scene with Pilar saying, oh, gay, Victor's got way bigger balls than straight Victor And then in season three, I loved how she was like, he's not wearing any moose. If that doesn't scream gay depression, I don't know what it does or let's go to the snack food because the body of Christ wasn't very feeling. That was amazing. I died, I did die for that scene. Pilar redeemed herself in season three for me, and became more like season one Piat and I really enjoyed that. Yeah. Art Armando was very triggering for me in season three, with the way he treated piad. Yeah. That was actually very triggering for me. And it was very reminiscent of things that I witnessed and seen growing up just in the culture of being a Latino. Yep. And yeah, that's really triggering. I know that person I've seen that person. I know the results of that attitude. Did you catch this? I don't know if you caught this, you may have caught this and they're talking him and Isabella are talking about how they, how she had a miscarriage, right? Yeah. And the baby's name was Camilla. Do you remember in epi, in season one where Pilar was taking the photos for her boyfriend, Eric and her mom comes in and she's Pila, Camila, Sal. Yeah. Like you named her, you gave her your original daughter's name, like for her middle name. That was just like interesting to me that her name was Camila and then her middle name is Camila. Yeah.

Gil:

I dunno why it caught it. Cause when at the end I was like, oh, it was like that last second dawning or like light bulb cooking. It was, I caught it the second time around. Okay. And I really thought about it. Like I heard the name obviously, but it was just when she said it and I was like, oh shit.

Eric:

Yeah. So I had that same thing. I was like, wait, did I hear that? And I was like, and I think I actually REW it. And I was like, wait, wasn't that her middle name? Yeah. And I don't know if it was sloppy writing or if it was intentional. I don't know. So I don't know. That's love Victor. It's like the end of an era for me, in some ways I, this is gonna sound really stupid. I have such an emotional connection to that show. That show had. We had that show when I was younger. It would've been so impactful even now. It was very impactful for me now. Yeah. And I can just imagine how it would've been there. Like iden this is where representation matters. I identified so heavily with that show and with the culture of the show. Yeah. And it actually made me feel less alone in the world, which is like really weird and silly, but it really did. And it, that show tugs at my heartstrings really hardcore and with what fault it does have, cuz it has fault. Yeah. I'm not saying it's like the perfect show. It holds such a special place in my heart that like I forgive almost all of its fault except for the PE situation.

Gil:

Correct. That would just that's so worsen than the benchy. I will absolutely agree with you on that one.

Eric:

and that bullshit. One thing about season three, two, like we were talking about like they needed more episode the storyline with lake and her mother I think, needed to be explored more, cuz it was just really odd how like she confronted her mom and then her mom was like, oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah, let me like, let me completely change. Correct. I felt like there should have been more of a dialogue and a back and forth than a moment to breathe and digest. Correct. And then get back together. Agreed. So that was what I thought of love Victor season three, everyone should watch it. It's still an, it's an amazing show

Gil:

because I was gonna say pride month came out with some pretty good ones because fire island was, I love

Eric:

that movie. There's a lot of people who don't like it, but I loved it. It was so cute. I

Gil:

enjoyed it. I watch it multiple times. I know like Chris and I only watched the one time together, but then I. Day off. I'm like, let watch it again.

Eric:

It was nice. I've only seen it once. I will admit I've only watched it once, but I'm watching another show that I'll talk about in a minute. But I really liked fire island. I thought it was cute. And I loved the fact that it was very Asian heavy, correct. And gave a lot of representation to the Asian culture. Cuz we don't see enough of that at all. Ever. Yeah. Other than like the whole like no, no fats, no fems, no Asians. That's the only time you, which they address, which they did. Yeah. It was dying and Boone yang was amazing. It was just a great show. It was a fun, it was a, it wasn't an Oscar winning movie, but it wasn't supposed to be, it was a fun movie. It was very it's relatable. It was camp. It was camp

Gil:

it's campy, but it was also relatable. Like it was like, you have that kinda friend you've that before, like you go with

Eric:

situations and the icon Margaret Cho is in that movie. Margaret Cho is an icon. Margaret Cho is a legend. Margaret Cho deserves her roses. And Margaret Cho is the reason why we have Asians on television because of her show. All American girl people. I just love Margaret show. If Casey can't tell

Gil:

I love her. I just adore her. But no I enjoyed it. I liked it. Like it's not us be no, but it was

Eric:

it's. That's great show

Gil:

point. It's a great show. I, during movie I really, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Cause I know that came out obviously. We had Heartbreakers.

Eric:

Yeah. Which I wanna, that came out. I wanna talk about that in just a second, but I say yes, like Joel Kim booster who wrote and directed and starred in fire island, like he was great. he's gorgeous too, but he was great. And I don't know if you've ever seen, have you, I dunno if you've heard of the show Sunnyside? No, he was in of it. He was in that show and it was it. It was a little rough, the first couple episodes, but any brand new show is, but then it like got its footing. It's too bad. They canceled it. It was Kal Penn's show and it was a very like diverse show and they canceled it for the will and grace reboot. So now I actually have

Gil:

very, I actually really watched that finally.

Eric:

I actually have some mixed emotions about the will grace reboot. Now, after I have listened to Cal Penn's book and seen the show, I paid to own the show now, so yeah, I don't know, but yeah. J Joel, Kim booster, like he did his damn thing. I'm super happy for him. Yeah. Heart stopper. Go ahead.

Gil:

Yeah, heart heartbreaker. That's a hearts. Sorry, Heartbreakers. I'm thinking of them. you're thinking of the Maria song hearts offers. All right. I adored it. It's cute. It's based off of a comic, but what I would say graphic novel, graphic, novel. Sorry. I'm like, what the hell is it called? I actually bought the first season. So I'm physically reading the comic right now as we speak the graphic novel. Obviously the season itself was excellent and got renewed for season two and three, which I'm excited for. What do you feel? How do you feel it went?

Eric:

I thought it I've only watched it once, so I, no, I watched it twice. I watched it twice. OK. It is an absolutely adorable show. Yeah. There was, did it had like its heartfelt moments and its like struggle moments, but overall. You just watch that show and you have to smile and you have to have this big sigh of happiness, like this joyous exhale, because you got to see like young gay love celebrated and like we're so used to. Our in our times, and even still modern times, like the stereotypical gay show and gay cinema, which we've talked about with other guests before of there's always that tragedy, or there's always like that extreme heartbreak because of people not accepting and people looking down and like the bullying aspect. And there's always that super harsh struggle. So to see yeah. Nick had his little internal struggle of why do I have these feelings for this guy when I'm supposed to be straight? And I'm a rugby player, but oh my God, this little nerdy guy just is pulling at my heartstrings and I can't get him out of my mind and oh, I'm gonna defend him till the last possible moments. And he had that struggle. But other than that, it was just such a happy sh show. And it really was, it was so adorable. It was so fucking adorable and. Oh my God, it I can't say enough good things about it. Like that show in itself saved a lot of lives. And had that show been around when we were younger, it would've saved a lot of lives because it, the way it just normalized everything. And the way that it represented you had trans you had lesbians you had pan you had the gay couple, like it, it was, you had bisexual representation in there. It was just a beautiful story. I loved it. I can't say enough good things about it. I don't even know if I faulted on anything.

Gil:

I could wouldn't or at least I couldn't really throw darts through the, I, I enjoyed it. Yeah. I genuinely enjoyed it.

Eric:

Honestly, I was like, huh. Honestly, if I'm not gonna say that. But. It was just a great, it was great all around. I think everyone should watch it. It's so adorable. And it just makes you feel good. It does. It does like it's just a happy show. And Charlie and Nick are the cutest little couple, and now everyone is trying to out kit Connor. Who's the actor who plays Nick and that's no one's business. It's always business and

Gil:

over, I believe. Yeah. I was

Eric:

gonna say pry they're at the pride parades. I actually think the guy who plays Charlie and I don't remember the actor's name. So I apologize for that. Him and the guy who played Ben, I think might actually be a couple, but I don't know if that's true or not. There's just a lot of photos of them like holding hands and being like snuggly and stuff, but they could just also be good friends. So that's

Gil:

true. No, that's another

Eric:

good thing. Adorable show. And I know that Michael Cimino and George Sear from love, Victor have come to kit Connor's defense as well in saying that no, if he is gay, then that's his thing and he has the right to his privacy. And he'll tell you when he's ready to, and if he's not, then he's not. And he'll tell you when he's ready to tell you it's really no one's business. Correct.

Gil:

So you hear that everyone instead of your damn business,

Eric:

We're tired of coming out every single second of our lives.

Gil:

It's all we do. We the, of our lives, it's all we do cut up the first time. It is all we do going forward.

Eric:

Have you read the book, the velvet rage? I have not. It's a very good book. I think everyone should read it. And it talks about the hardest part is not necessarily coming out. It's that expectation of once you've accepted yourself. And once you've realized who you are and once you're ready to come out then you're still coming out and you never stop coming out. And then you have to come out in certain ways to please people or you think you need to, and then you realize that, oh, no, I'm still fitting into these molds. And these I'm being pigeonholed in this way, in that way. And I'm still not being able to be my authentic self. Like it's a really good book. I'm short changing it by a lot, but I think everyone should read the Velt rage or at least listen to the audible. OK. Or audiobook

Gil:

audiobook. Yes.

Eric:

What are you watching now?

Gil:

Let's see. So right now we started watching the Trixi motel. We're doing obviously the Rupa. OK. Rupa all stars right now been rooting on JSU. I dunno if you're watching it, but I'm not. Okay.

Eric:

I know I'm

Gil:

a bad gay. No, you're fine. Wrapped up the one series I've started doing. I dunno. Have you seen only murders murderers in the building? Yes, I,

Eric:

I, I liked it. I, so season one was really good. I've only seen the first two episodes of season two because I'm watching another show right now, but I'm almost done with it. Okay. But I am already like fangirling over Mabel and Alice.

Gil:

Yes I finally, you'll be proud of me. I started the, at least the first full episode of pose.

Eric:

I loved it. Oh my God. Pose is amazing. We need to do an episode of just

Gil:

pose. I have not. And I'm so behind on that, I am so sorry, everyone. I finally started pose. So I'm gonna start season two after we're done with this podcast. And just continue my way through that. Cause I don't know why I've just been putting it off. I would just,

Eric:

I, and you know what, the cool thing about pose, like pose teaches you a lot. Like where culture comes from, like the ballroom culture. Oh my gosh. I love it. And you get to say a lot of the rights that we have as an LGBTQ community that we may, that we still have right now we have because of the black and brown trans community, correct? Absolutely. It's because of them. And everything that we see, like VOing, and the dips and spins and floor work stuff like that is all ballroom culture. And that is all that SAS and fairness and the language the language comes from that culture. And then you have your CIS white gay boys that are like, oh, I'm gonna steal that word and I'm gonna steal that word. And then they market it off as themselves. But no, that's not where it came from. No, it came from your black and brown ballroom scene. You gotta give it that it's props. So I'm so glad you're watching pose is such a good show.

Gil:

I, yeah, I know. I finally started the fuck I was waiting for.

Eric:

And then MJ Rodriguez, like first episode queen better get her roses. And then Dominique Jackson, that woman is a queen. I love her.

Gil:

Yeah. So those are the ones that I'm currently watching. Like I have the flash, I enjoy the it's, my manly bro side of and then another one is a little it's called love, death and robots. I've heard of it. Netflix.

Eric:

Netflix. I've heard of it. I have not seen

Gil:

it. It's a trip. I dunno why I'm still watching. I'm still going through the trauma. I just, I'm just watching through, I dunno. OK. It's not the bad. And then the last thing I'm watching is the G word I have not heard of that. I think it's on it's kind like through the gate travel, so it's pretty cool. It's pretty educational and stuff like that. So that's what we're watching right now. What's that on? Yes. I believe it's an. I'll it up. Yeah. But that's pretty good. I'll probably get Christopher to probably correct me cause he knows I'm the one who just like what's new and he's let's watch all this. Okay. I finally, cause I, I always have a special place cause I, you and I used to call each other almost every night for will and grace, the original run. Yeah. But I finally rewatched the sec and the reboot. Yeah. I, and there was a lot of good little TIS, funness, but I don't know how I feel about it.

Eric:

Yeah. You know what, when you, I'm such a weird, when you read the behi, when you find out the behind the scene stuff, it doesn't sit well with me. Like you're saying like that show sunny side, it started off a little Rocky and rough, but every sitcom does, but by the third or fourth episode, it really got its footing. And you had this extremely diverse cast with. At least two gay people that were in the lead cast cuz Jill Kim boosters in it, Cal Penn it was his show and you have this like great little ensemble of different ethnicities and different types of personalities. And then NBC did this weird thing oh, we're gonna put you on our streaming service now. And they were just like real shady with it. And then they brought back will grace, which actually when they first brought it back, I was like, oh yeah, I remember that the episode that's nodding towards and oh, that was funny. It was like nostalgic, whatever. Correct. But it wasn't like as good as the original. Correct. And then, like you find out that there was a lot of like back fighting between mega Malawi and Deborah messing. And there was just, they stopped like filming scenes together. And there was just like all this stuff and it's ratings weren't even as good as the show sunny sides ratings were. And at that point I was like, yeah, I'm done. I didn't even watch the second season of the reboot. And that was all I think it got, and I was like, yeah, I'm done.

Gil:

Yeah. And it was just one of those I decided to, I was just curious, I'm like, I'm sitting here for lunch. Let me go rewatch it.

Eric:

I feel like the, I feel like the reboot of will grace almost tainted the legacy that was will and grace, the original. I'm not gonna say it fully did, but I feel like it did. And will, and grace is problematic in itself too, but it was a 90 sitcom. It was with the exception of Ellen. It was yeah. Coming out in that series. But the exception of that was like your first, like fully fledged gay show, like where the character, like the main characters were gay and not just, oh, we have a gay character coming in for comic relief.

Gil:

Correct. Which is most of the, still even the series that we have now in the modern times. Yeah. And I know they could have been more diverse, but even especially for what it was at its time during that said in an era, it was, I, like I said, I'll always still have a special place for it. I know we could puncture the holes through

Eric:

the show. Yeah. You

Gil:

can with everything, same thing. I always hold a special place. The reboot it's the way tweak season nine of scrubs is a show. I absolutely adore season nine for such fucking trash. They should have ended

Eric:

season eight. I stopped watching that show. I wanna say around season four or five, but just because I like, got busy and I forgot that it was on.

Gil:

It's my favorite cause I don't like doctor shows, I can't stand these people, the, oh, we found that 0.1% chance of it happening. We are the ones who know how to figure it out. I can't stand the bullshit. Like it's I am not a fan. I never been like cop shows, not a big fan, either lose me quickly, but scrubs I do enjoy that's very,

Eric:

it's hilarious. Very, it was spoof on those medical shows.

Gil:

Yeah. So of course. But anyway, those are my, like some shows I've been watching movies I guess. And oh you what are you watching right now?

Eric:

What I'm watching now. So I'm not watching quite the variety of shows. You are you have a plethora of delicious, morsels at your disposal where you're just like consuming all this amazing cuisine from everywhere. I am not that first, let first, let me say though, this has been really weird for me. I am not watching as much reality television as I normally do. Like I have taken a huge step back from the Housewives Uhhuh. I am almost ready to leave a lot of my Bravo groups on Facebook because I'm just not into it anymore. Okay. And so I'm still watching a few here and there just because I started, but I'm like three or four episodes behind and I'm like, oh, I'll just watch it another time. So it's not even a priority of mine. That's shocking and weird. I did like I said, I watched only more murders in the building. I marathon season one, like a few months back. And then yes. Season two just started, but I think there were like three or three or four episodes in three episodes. Okay. So I saw the first two, cause that's when it first dropped and then yeah, you're up to date pretty. So I didn't see the, I haven't seen the third episode yet. OK. I am right now watching elite, which is a Spanish show. It's a show from Spain and oh my God, the people are fucking gorgeous. Like it is a crime that there are people that hot, of course they're span. But my God like my call you God, like I almost deep throated this mic. That's how oh my God. No, but it's a good show. I'm enjoying it. I like totally fell in love with one of the characters. He's like now my new celebrity crush, heart throb, but oh, I just finished season four there's five season. Okay. There's five seasons. So I'm actually gonna start season five, probably once we're done with this podcast. They're like 40,

Gil:

you were on season two when I last talked to you yesterday.

Eric:

good job. They're like 45 to 50 minute long episodes. So I get three in and then I have to like, or sometimes four, the other night though, I was like, I gotta see what happens the rest, like actually two nights, Wednesday night. And then last night I was like, I gotta just see what happens all the way through. I made it through that, but I'm watching that show. They also have a lot of shorts that they're that like, there, there are like vignettes or bridge up bridge episodes to tell you like where they got from here to here, that they may not have explained well enough during the seasons. So I'm gonna watch those as well. So that will probably take me this week. And that's what I'm gonna have time for is just to watch those. Okay. So I'm not watching a whole lot of stuff. I'll watch Hulu. I'll watch murders in the building once I'm done with elite. Correct. And then I'll probably go back into watching foreign movies again. Okay. Cause I kind of miss doing that. There's been a few that I've re-watched here and there. But as far as like actual like television or streaming shows. Yeah. That's it right now. That's I watched hard stop or I watched Victor of course. And I was supposed to watch elite and I put it off for a couple weeks and now I'm watching it and I'm like, I'm fully in it, but I feel like the better seasons have already passed and now I'm just like finishing it off. Also, I know my also I know my little like crush heartthrob is no longer on the show after the fourth season. Oh. So I'm like, eh, do I really have to watch it? But they have like great Muslim representation, which I really so that's good too. Yeah, that's what I'm doing and what I'm watching right now. So it's not a whole lot. I feel like I'm not doing my part. I guess

Gil:

this is, I say it's very rare that I'm actually some shows or, normally I'm like, oh, I think I'm watching one show now or yeah.

Eric:

So what's a

Gil:

hot song for you right now. Then if you

Eric:

wanna change. No, we'll. We'll do that too, but you know what? Another show that we need to give a nod to, that we have not talked about is sex education.

Gil:

Oh my God. How's stupid. Yes. That is an excellent one.

Eric:

That is an amazing show. I'm still very mad. About him breaking with Adam's heart. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still very sad about that. I'm waiting for the ne the new season though. When does it come out? I think it'll probably come out in the spring.

Gil:

Oh, God, I

Eric:

loved it. That's a great, so people were you need to watch it. You're gonna love it. You're gonna love it. And I'm like, eh, I'll try. See, I go through these weird moods where I'm like, Ooh, I wanna, I don't care if it's got subtitles or not, I'll read it. And then there's other times where I'm like, I just don't wanna read right now. Like I just wanna listen. Obviously sex education is not that because it's an English show, but I was just kind I don't know that I wanna watch it. I don't wanna get into it. Then I was like, okay, let me watch it. And then all of a sudden I was like, oh my gosh, let me just watch the whole first season. Let me watch the whole next, like within one night or two nights, I was like caught up. And it was great. Have you watched young Royals? I have not. You need to watch young Royals Netflix, you have not watched it.

Gil:

What is

Eric:

young Royals about? I have no idea. It is about prince from Sweden and he gets enough. I'm just gonna give you a little bit of rundown. He gets into an altercation and he gets sent to this school. And then he's the prince. of Sweden. He's the younger prince. He's like the hairy to the William. Yeah. But then he's supposed to be like this strapping young lad. He falls in love with this other guy. Who's like poor. Oh shit. And so it goes from there. Okay. Okay. And you haven't seen elite, but they do a dub over. So they're speaking English and it's well done. So it's not like their mouths are not moving and you hear all this like dialogue still going like

Gil:

when I used to watch God Villa the Japanese exactly over

Eric:

I'm like, oh, stuff. Yeah. So it's not like that. It's a real, you need to watch it. It's a good show. Okay. Okay. You'll enjoy it. It's all. It's only, I think it's six to eight episodes, like 40. Oh, okay. 43 minute episodes. You can. Oh, I, the first time I watched it three times. Now. The first time I watched it, I literally did a full marathon. Cause I just could not stop. Like I could not stop watching it. Like I was like, I gotta find out what happens next. I gotta find out what happens next. So that makes sense. Oh, and then Q4 got canceled. I was sad to hear about that. How come? I don't know. Netflix just decided to cancel it. Okay. Songs you were asking me about songs.

Gil:

Yeah. Is there any like songs you've been listening to lately?

Eric:

So you're gonna hate me for this. Ah okay. Cause Beyonce just came out with a new song, break my soul. I

Gil:

heard I haven't listened to it, but I

Eric:

heard it's a banger. Okay. Like I, people were like, oh, her new song and you have the hive. That's oh my God. Of course it's the greatest thing in the queen is back. Whatever no, that was Janet that's Janet. And she just, Janet just became the highest grossing artist who headline essence festival in the 27 years. That festival's been going. OK. Oh. So let me OK. I just had to throw that in there. so like everyone knows I'm not a Beyonce fan. I like some of her stuff, I do have some of her music on my playlist. Like I do some of her stuff, but I'm not a huge fan of, and so everyone's oh my God, this song is so great. This song is so great. And so I listened to it. I was like, you know what, let me listen to it. And then, so like I commented on it and I'm like, okay, I'm not her biggest fan, but this song is a banger. Like this song is gonna be a hit this is a good fucking club song. Like I would totally dance to this all the time. Like I really appreciate the song. Okay. Yeah, I I actually downloaded it and someone was like why did you have to say, you're not a fan of her? It's like, why did you have to start it that way? And I'm like, because I'm giving you context that even a person who does not typically care for her music recognizes that this song is gonna be a hit and is a banger. And they're like, okay, then I can appreciate that. I was like, cuz it's, you know what? I think it's a good song. It is very like 90, late nineties, early 2000 EDM. Like it is a nice little song. Like I, I can get with it. I'm not like necessarily like fully on listening to that song a lot, but I'm listening to it. It doesn't hurt the ears. No. OK. I am listening to a lot of black pink still.

Gil:

Okay. And that's the Kpop

Eric:

Kpop, right? Yes. Okay. Okay. I'm still listening to my Kpop. I am listening to a lot of black pink. I'm listening to a lot of dove Cameron right now. Her song boyfriend is fucking amazing. Okay. Everyone should listen to that song. It is phenomenal. And then her song breakfast is also really good. That one just came out, but boyfriend is such a good song cuz she's talking it's so sexy. Cause she's talking about like how she could be a better boyfriend to these girls and their boyfriends are, it's so good. Oh my God. And then her voice is so smoky and raspy and it's just, yeah, it's I'm a fan of hers right now and she speaks out a lot about, speaks up a lot for queer culture and stuff like that. So I'm listening to her. I'm really into Megan, the stallion right now. Oh, okay. So I'm listening to a lot of her stuff too. Yeah. I think, obviously I'm always listening to Janet. I listen to a lot of Ariana Grande, but she hasn't really released anything too lately. So Yeah I would say dove Cameron and black pink are probably, what's got my ear right now. I will say though, that the show elite has a fucking amazing soundtrack and I spend probably 60% of my time watching that show with Shaza out. Yes. And then saving the songs. Cause it's got such great music. And one, one more nod on that show. Cause I was talking about do Cameron's boyfriend song? This, there's this beautiful love scene between these two women in that show. And it's really interesting to watch the it juxtaposed against the male on male sex scenes. Cause theirs is just like very it's two dudes. Like it's literally like what you think of like stereotypically it's just two dudes going at it, fine, whatever, like we've all been there, but the women's scenes were just like so beautiful and passionate and filmed so delicately and precious. And it was just like really interesting to see how these scenes were so beautiful and just voluminous and made you feel good. And these ones were just like, gritty, animalistic let me pound you against the wall as your like, face is getting like broken Which, that's fun too. I've done that before. I've had bloody noses from pelvis is hitting my nose before, but yeah, that was interesting. What are you listening?

Gil:

Okay. So for me, I've been all over the place with my music. The song that I's been, cause I heard it actually had a drag brunch. Okay. Is called this hell by Rena REA I, oh, I'm gonna butcher her last name. Soma S a Y a M a. Okay. I love it. It's just it's such a catchy catch song. I think you'll probably enjoy it. OK. But I enjoy that song a lot. I think Dunbar is like a, gen C openly gay person. He's I love him. He's great. I've heard his music. I've been addicted to all his fucking songs at this point. Fan behavior is probably my favorite of his still but he released a full album, so I've been enjoying his stuff right now. A classic that I've been. I don't know why lately been like in that eighties freestyle. So I've been listening to hooked on you by sweet sensation. for the eighties. OK. I've been enjoying it again. And then obviously everyone, the mothers and Kate Bush has been on the thing. I'm not a Kate

Eric:

Bush fan. I honestly, I feel like a really bad gay, I don't know that song. I don't even really know who Kate Bush is. So yeah,

run

Gil:

it. She's very running up the hill. She was huge in England and yeah, here and there. She just popped into the us market. Very sporadically. I'm

Eric:

not a, I don't watch stranger things either. So yeah. I

Gil:

knows, like I know it's been out

Eric:

there. Yeah. And I, yeah, the whole Kate Bush thing, I was like, oh my God, like the GS have known this song. And everyone, I was like, I don't know that song. Here's my card. Yeah. and here's my to, here's the toaster that I got. I'm sorry.

Gil:

It's I know of her. And I knew of the song, but it wasn't a song that I cared for. I just don't care for she's lyrically. Great. But not in artist. I go seek out, and that's just my thing. Obviously, AICS have been on my playlist heavy because especially to got into the hall of fame for the rock and roll. So I was super thrilled about that one.

Eric:

You know what song I've been listening to a lot. That's an oldie, but goodie song, Uhhuh is Bonnie. Tyler's totally clips of the heart.

Gil:

Oh, that's a good one.

Eric:

I have that song stuck in my head. Probably three to four times a week. Yeah. And I just I have to listen to it. Like it's great time. That song is just phenomenal. It's one of my favorite songs. Yeah. It was good chatting with you Gill. Thank you guys for listening to us, to our face and yay. We will see you guys or talk to you guys or whatever. I never know what to say with that. I always wanna say see you later, but we don't actually see you guys. Yeah, we'll be around the next time. This another episode drops and thank you again for joining us and as always remember to live in your authenticity.

Gil:

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Eric:

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