Nov. 23, 2022

Season 4, Episode 17

Season 4, Episode 17

In our season 4 Finale, Eric and Gil are joined by Chris, Gil's husband, to discuss more hot topics and for a not so quick Q & A session.

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Eric:

Hello and welcome to the Q lounge, I'm Eric

Gil:

and I'm Gil.

Eric:

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Gil:

Hello and welcome to the Q Lounge. I'm Gill.

Eric:

And I'm Eric

Gil:

and we are joined today with Chris's husband.

Eric:

We're super excited. Excited to have you back, Chris.

Chris:

Oh, I'm, I was very excited when you told Gil to ask me. I was like, oh, that's so sweet. So soon,

Eric:

I really loved having you on last time cuz I feel like I got to know you more so than I already did and you and I just need to go hang out one of these days and like just chat for hours. we've done that. we have done that. But like you and I just need to go chat for hours. Oh,

Chris:

gotcha. Okay. Yes. Okay. I mean you created such a safe space.

Eric:

but no, we're really happy to have you guys.

Gil:

Yes, we are doing our series. I see. Finale. Yeah. Finale. Not serious. No. Whoa. Is that why you brought the, on

Eric:

our own terms here? I was like, wow. Is there something I need to know? that was an ambush

Chris:

that's why you wanted to bring me on. You're like, let's add some cushion

Gil:

Mediator. Mediator. No. That's, we are at our season finale before we go into hiding for the winter months. And then we return fresh and plum for the spring. Yes.

Eric:

We'll be gone for what, two months? So

Gil:

two months. Yeah. We'll be our usual two months. yes, this is our time to spend time with family. I will be, in the heart of my retail hell right now, So if you guys, any listeners out there in my nick of the Woods, good luck, ger Lord. Hope we all survive a

Chris:

moment of silence for them. Our part went out for the homey over the weekend.

Gil:

Oh boy. So Eric, tell us what is in the news today. I know lots of happens as we last

Eric:

recorded. Yes, lots of happens as we last recorded, so just, I know our latest episode is dropping today, the day that we're recording this, but you won't hear this for another few days. as we said in our last episode, the last half of our last episode was pretty irrelevant because a lot has happened and changed since then. So you got to hear our 25 to 75 cents opinions then for what was happening at that moment. So we just have a lot of stuff to tie up and put bows on and. Probably the first half of this episode will be irrelevant by the time this episode drops because things just change.

Gil:

they change. Yes. Get

Chris:

used to it.

Eric:

So let's just start with the broad stuff, Yes. so the Democrats maintain power in the Senate. woo. We're hoping that Warnock wins so that Joe Manchin has a little less power.

Gil:

So if you're in Georgia Yes.

Chris:

Get, I mean what to do. It's already been voted on

Eric:

No, it'll be, it's voted on December 6th.

Chris:

Oh, that's right. Cuz they have to recount Yeah. The runoff or runoff or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

Eric:

Got you. Go and vote. But they, are making, they are saying that you can't, they passed a law that you cannot early vote the Saturday before December 6th. because the day before that is the holiday of, Robert E. Lee. Oh. Fucking a They're using a racist symbols holiday. To block them from early voting, like those last two days of early voting. That's so stupid. Yeah. That tells you exactly where Georgia is. That's

Chris:

Oh, what do they always say? God bless our little heart

Gil:

God bless our little heart.

Eric:

go and vote. Go and vote. Basically go. And please. So you're in Georgia. If you're listening to this and you're in Georgia, I don't know if we have any Georgia listeners, but if you are we do. Please go and vote for Warnock. Yes. let's see. We lost control of the house, which was predicted, which, correct. and Lauren Bobber won her race. She was losing when we recorded our last episode, but she's winning now and I think 99% is in, so they will probably have a recount. But that thing won.

Chris:

Ann

Eric:

Coter, like Ann Coulter, and Owens But, so they mean we, we lost control of the house or the Democrats lost control of the house. Not necessarily. We, so basically to me, that means nothing's gonna get done for the next two years because they're gonna block everything. Yes.

Gil:

Yeah. But I would rather take that. Knowing that all we have to, yeah. In the grand scheme, this is actually gigantic win. Yeah. In comparison. Cause like I said, the polling for Biden and everything that's gone on with the, with the economy and the, abortions and everything like that. I just expected to be not maybe the best results. Yeah. So this was a, but let's be real, as you and I mentioned Gen Z and the younger millennials saved our asses.

Eric:

Yeah. it was Gen Z, younger millennials, people of color. women of color. Yep. That is the reason why this country is going to live to suit another day and not be in correct ra racist hate. this also

Chris:

shows how very much important it is to even vote for your local government.

Eric:

Cause Arizona turned blue.

Gil:

Yes

Chris:

it did. I know I was like, what?

Eric:

Katie Hobbs won

Gil:

in the

Eric:

for governor. So congratulations to Katie Hobbs. I know we have a few Arizona listeners, so thank you for voting Katie Hobbs in Yes. And not voting for that other person.

Gil:

Another cool thing happened within Congress, which I never thought would ever happen. the entire Pacific host, when Blue, including Alaska, So Orange County, which is traditionally Republican, both corners of it went blue. But I just found out that Alaska go blue.

Eric:

Isn't Katie Porter, orange County? Yes, she is. Yeah, she is. And she's been there for a minute though. this is her third term.

Gil:

third term

Eric:

now. Yeah, officially. which I was surprised to know that she was from Orange County cuz she's phenomenal. I love it. She's,

Chris:

she is a boss. She is iconic. Like girl, keep it going.

Gil:

So I was surprised Is that whiteboard? Oh fuck.

Eric:

I know guys screwed. I'm like, I start salivating, it's like P'S dog. I'm like, oh my God, the whiteboard is coming out.

Chris:

like she comes with the receipts and the numbers. Yes. I love it. Icon.

Eric:

I love her. I agree. So I was surprised to learn that she was from Orange County, but I saw her acceptance thing today. I was like, you're from Orange County. I knew you're from California, but I figured you were from some northern

Chris:

there. I thought it was, what's that area above la? Bad air quality San Bernardino. That's where I thought she was. Oh, okay. Offense to San Bernardino, but please clean your air.

Eric:

LA probably pumps their air into San Bernardino probably. So go ahead. That was pretty cool. So you said the whole West coast turned blue. So did all of California turn blue?

Gil:

Along the coast, so that's touching the water. Okay. Okay. Including, like I said, Alaska, which is traditionally a, it could only have one congressperson lost and she's Yes.

Chris:

third time I told, I was like, maybe she went to go find those bells

Gil:

lot. They're searching for Russia.

Eric:

can see from her backyard,

Gil:

clearly Oh, bless her too. Yeah. And obviously Hawaii being in the middle of the ocean. yeah. So in the entire entirety of the Pacific, went blue for the first, that amazing time ever.

Eric:

That's awesome. Yeah, so I was happy to hear that. I guess Nancy Pelosi's gonna make her big announcement as far as what her plans are tomorrow to her colleague, so she'll have already made that announcement by the time this episode drops. So that's, and then still, I don't know if there's anything else we need to talk about as far as congress and Senate as far as like the numbers are concerned. I, do wanna hit or is there, or can I hit on my next story? Yeah, go ahead. the Senate just voted to, put same sex and interracial marriages into. They had a provisionary vote was done today. They're gonna have another vote I guess later. But was it 12? Republicans crossed over to make it bipartisan and 37 Republicans voted against it. McConnell being one of them who was married to an Asian woman. Yes he is. but yeah, so it got bipartisan support. So they are looking to codify same sex marriage and interracial marriage into law so that they don't have to worry about Scotts fucking it up again like they did with dots. Correct.

Gil:

Good.

Eric:

Good. I do wanna talk really quickly. I know we've talked a lot about abortion on this podcast and I know that none of us three will ever have one or be in that situation, but I still think it's really important to discuss, and I won't hog up this whole podcast to discuss abortion but I was having a discussion about it shockingly, and someone brought up a really good point. Cause people are always like, oh, abortion's not my priority. And I was like, abortion should be your priority because it trickles down. Oh, yeah. Trickles down into voting rights. And the fact that in a lot of these states where they've now passed anti-abortion laws, it is a felony. And guess who cannot vote? Felons. Yes. Yes. So then women cannot vote. A lot of women, a lot of women will lose their right to vote. So therefore they have no voice in cha say in government or how this country is run. And then that goes into your other marginalized communities. That's just something to think about. Yep. So I just had to throw that out there. Thank you guys for letting me do that.

Chris:

Wow. So basically if they do it, it's considered a felony. So they're like, all right, you're a felon now. You can't vote. What?

Gil:

Especially when the statistics that be coming out, who voted for what. Yeah. And overwhelmingly a lot of the male dominated area or what is it? news anchor, stuff like that. Were making open comments regarding, women should it, if they were married and, in the summer they, wouldn't need to be worried about stuff like this as if this is the

Eric:

1950s. That was that dude from Fox News. He was one of many.

Gil:

Okay. Yeah,

Eric:

that was one. Cause I saw that, and I forgot his name cuz I don't really watch Fox News that much. where he was saying that these men just need to marry these women because it's these single women who are ruining this country. But you have Lauren Bber who also said, I think we talked about this one. You have women? Yes. Who said that the women, that women are the lesser vessel. I think women are the superior vessel, honestly. But that's just

my,

Chris:

for real.

Eric:

I like Gill and I have talked about, you don't need men anymore. You can literally just take some dna, put it in an egg and clone. Yeah. Yep. You want the human race to keep going. Women do not need men anymore at all.

Gil:

We're not even, no. And we're not even the what de the default gender? No, we're an no the default genders. That's correct. there's no default. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah.

Chris:

We're not there. Your body doesn't, or the body doesn't

Eric:

decide. And you, and if you want to have, if you want to actually have men around to impregnate women, then you have gay men and we can just donate. Yeah. But that leads me to another story that gay men actually cannot donate sperm and cannot donate to sperm banks. And it goes into the same reason that we cannot donate blood. Oh, fucking a That's still, it's based on the eighties and early nineties laws, even though they test it. Yeah, but it's based on those laws. The only time from what I, you can donate, and this just came out recently, the only time you can donate is if someone has requested that you donate your. Oh,

Chris:

upon requests, let's say like a lesbian couple was like, Hey, wanna be a donor?

Eric:

And they put in the formal request with the bank to have you donate and then it like passed all of its tests and everything. Of course. Then the sperm bank, sorry,

Chris:

you saw that? I'm sorry. No, that's ok. Like nobody, like what? Go to US Bank.

Eric:

Okay. to make your deposit. it was a small brain park. that's a sticky envelope. yeah. So if they make that request and then like of course you, your sperm is healthy and viable and it doesn't have, and it has proper motility and it doesn't carry any disease with it, then yes. But to actually just go donate sperm for whomever, you can't do it because men who sleep with men cannot donate fluids in this country. In a large part of this world.

Chris:

I, there's a part of me that's okay, I like, how do I explain it? that's like, how can you not change the law for stuff that has progressed? And there's another part of me that's like, why have we done it? what is stopping. As a community, as, or just even with our allies and stuff. see.

Eric:

That's where we, it's come on guys. We're a marginalized community. Yeah. We don't have very many people in power. You have no, all these old white men who are in so much power, who are the ones who put in all these laws initially, and they're not gonna second guess themselves. They want everything to keep going forward. As we were just saying. They're saying, oh, women need to be married to our, these mens that they fall in line, which is gross. And we need to keep going on that track. Why? Why?

Chris:

women are not property.

Eric:

Exactly. They're not a percent, they're not a thousand percent.

Chris:

They're not like, I don't understand. And it's just so old school mentality. like beyond old school. It's just archaic.

Eric:

But here's the thing that Gil has testified to many times. Government takes forever to change. Laws take forever to change things. Government moves slowly. Cause I'm just like you, Chris. I'm like, no, it should be done now, It

Gil:

should be

Chris:

like, there's a lot of things that you, we voted on or people voted on that. I'm like, why are we even voting on this? This should be just a given.

Eric:

Tennessee finally just voted to ban slavery. Yeah, come on, Louisiana did not vote to ban slavery.

Gil:

Shameful. Like shameful

Chris:

you know how every year everybody's it's 2022 or it's 2021. Like thinking, like using that as like of course let's be progressive and think like what?

Eric:

Yeah, no, like no. Exactly. That's the thing is it's this old school mentality and it's this Christian mentality. Yep. So

Chris:

don't you know, our country was founded on good old under God

Eric:

law. Exactly. it's just I don't know if you guys keep up with pop culture that much, but like Candace Cameron, did you hear She's in the news right now cause she left Hallmark cuz she did all those Christmas movies for Hallmark. and she, I forgot what channel she left for. I wanna say it's like great American television or Great American Christian television. I don't know. It's some faith based, oh Lord. Television show or not show, channel. And she made the comment that she's excited to go back to where they celebrate Christmas between with married couples, where it is between a man and a woman, because she doesn't want, basically doesn't wanna be part of a channel that represents marriage between anything other than a man and a woman. So she's been called out by like Hillary Burton and Jojo Siwa. Yeah. And then she tried to clarify it, saying that she loves all people and she thinks all people are amazing and her, she loves everyone. she's always wanted to work for a more faith-based programming, but work in a hobby lobby. Exactly. but she's just doing severe damage control right now, total PR stents. But she's trying to do

Chris:

I'm so sorry. Or trying to be like my faith, I really prayed about this and stuff like that. That's what she's doing.

Eric:

But they said like you are basically erasing a whole community and being such a hypocrite saying that you're all for love and everything else, but then you're gonna erase or deny a whole community representation. Yeah. that just kind, you have those attitudes and you have those, I feel like I'm talking a lot. I'm really sorry. No, you have those attitudes that just perpetuate the laws that we have and the lies that people buy into that further the laws.

Chris:

this girl is not even she's not

Gil:

old,

Chris:

she's, no, she's a millennial, I believe. Like she's an

Eric:

older millennial. no. she's Gen X. She's older than I am.

Chris:

1976,

Eric:

according to, she's older than I Ams. She's older than I am. So she's asked shockingly, she's X cuz I'm at the tail end of X. I'm the, I'm a zen, I'm a Oh, you're the crossover. Yeah. But I tend to, vote more like young millennial, gen Z. I'm all for the Z alpha style.

Chris:

Z has really shown up, so I appreciate them as a generation, that's for sure. Yeah, me too. But she's not even that like old, like

Eric:

No, but you have to look at her family too, like her brother is. Like she grew up in the

Chris:

industry. Like she was surrounded probably by people of the community.

Eric:

Jody Sweeten, who is her co-star and friend from Full House in Fuller House is very progressive and got arrested for protesting at an anti-abortion rally.

Chris:

one, I'm gonna read a headline. Jody Sweeten supports jojo SWA aed. Candace Cameron Beer controversy.

Eric:

Yes. So like Stephanie Tanner is speaking out against DJ Tanner,

Chris:

like they're only, and that is not rude years apart, if I'm not

Eric:

mistaken. Yeah. I think Jody Sweeten's, like probably my age.

Chris:

Ask. I'm gonna Google this. Jody Sweeten 1982,

Eric:

she's a Oh, she's younger than, she's younger than

Chris:

me. Yeah, she's a millennial. Yeah, she's a older millennial cuz she's the same age as my, middle sister. so yeah, she's not even I don't understand. You grew up in the industry. You're completely surrounded by various amounts of people like, St stereotypes, like hairdressers and stuff. Like you're that, yeah. All that. And you're like over here, probably like calling 'em your friends, or She's probably doing that thing like, oh, except for you.

Eric:

Except for you, the whole, oh, I, I have a gay friend, or I know gay

Chris:

people. I have a Oh, I have a gay friend. Yeah. Okay,

Gil:

cool. Yeah. Who else? I don't, yeah, you're a California

Eric:

girl. Everybody knows one Exactly. Yeah. That's very disappointing. this is a trip too. If you think about this also, and I know that his sexuality wasn't known back then, but you still have to think about this. Kal Penn's first agent was Candace Cameron's mother and Kal Penn just came out, or he didn't just come out, but he came out when his memoir was released like a year or two ago, and he had a whole chapter where he talked about his fiance.

Chris:

Yeah. He's been out, for a while though, but not out

Eric:

with yeah, I, he wasn't like, I don't think he wasn't, he wasn't hiding it, but it wasn't like public knowledge. Yeah. people were like, oh my gosh, he has, he's dating a guy. And I was like, oh my God, that makes me wanna read his memoir. That's really good. I have it. I have a signed copy, actually.

Chris:

A site. Wow.

Eric:

But is, I mean if you, so you think about that too, like her mom was his agent. Yeah.

Chris:

She's probably gonna really get a full throttle of cancel cultural culture

Eric:

probably. But I think she already has in some regards too. she was a huge fan and advocate of 45. Yeah. So

Gil:

but then again, you have to be, it's like almost careful at the same time where you're gonna have the, and why they rose to power again is the conservative base also will stick by them. Yeah. Because they're gonna see the counselor and it kinda feeds into their narrative. that, the DS and liberals and Progressive we're all out to get, to cancel everyone any second we can. So they'll make her a martyr, which atypical Christian way of life and they vilify us. Like I said, it kinda goes into

Eric:

it. Do you think it's actual counsel culture though? I understand what you're saying, like I totally, that's totally it. Where it's gonna be. It's gonna go that, yeah, it's gonna go that route.

Chris:

Cause she's a ci white gendered woman.

Eric:

Of course. but do you think that council culture is like an actual thing? Or do you think it's just something that's put out. By the Republicans and by the ultra conservatives and the super Christian evangelical sector because I honestly feel like it's accountability culture. Like she's being called out for crass, cruel comments that she's making. And I think she's been, she's has the opportunity as of right now to like actually thoughtfully backtrack and reevaluate what she says and move forward. her comment that she released, her statement she released was, to me was more of a doubling down. Yeah. On everything. And more like a, oh, people are mad at me so I should put something out. But I'm still not gonna apologize for making this statement cuz it's how I believe. But I love everybody. But, I don't necessarily, I think I don't know, I don't think cancel culture is an actual thing. I think

Chris:

it's an a thing you do. Okay. but I, yeah, I think it's a thing because there are some celebrities where some canceling has happened and is definitely has hurt their career and everything. but I also think that the Republican party also is using it as a trigger. It's like a trigger

Gil:

word.

Eric:

Okay. They're perpetuating

Chris:

it's a culture. Yeah.

Gil:

They're making it, it's all, yeah. Yeah. But I still feel like the, yeah, definitely the cancel culture part of it does happen because it started happening. Remember when, and I think I was complaining about this back in 2016 of Democrats, democratic, or voters trying to look for the perfect candidate. Cause every single candidate that was running, it was like, if you weren't pure of heart, the absolute pure, all the way from the day that you were born to the day that you're running for office, immediately you're canceled. It was, oh, that person's not good enough. They said this back in 1965, and even though they have a proven record, I then that one time you made the comment, drunk outta frat house kinda thing. then you get canceled. And that's what I felt, I think it started in the beginning where things were getting called out because it's the internet. People will find the receipts, but okay, it's fair. I think the conservative base saw it and ran with it. Okay. So I think there's a half truth with it, but I still think the cancel culture is still a thing. Because you think about the way that people jump on people for making mistake and suddenly you're like,

Eric:

you're gone. But I, but see, that's where I think it's people are jumping on people for a mistake they made or. A thing that they've said. Cause they're wanting them to take accountability for it and to maybe explain their actions or where they were coming from, make a legitimate, heartfelt, sincere apology about it and move forward from there. And take it as a learning experience rather than doubling down. Or the whole, I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt, or, I'm sorry if you took it this way. Yeah. Or I'm sorry, but I am a staunch Christian and I believe this certain way. I think people are just trying to be like, okay, like we're gonna call you out. But we want you to take accountability and recognize that you have said a bunch of hurtful things or have put into law a bunch of hurtful things that could really fuck with people's lives. And if they're gonna be like, oh, I'm sorry that you took it that way, or, I'm sorry you feel that way, then yeah, if we're gonna cancel you at that point, because you're not learning from this.

Gil:

But if they have, but I guess is at what point is enough for it? Because it, cause the, once you get hurt, are you at that point looking for there's never gonna be enough, sorry for it. Is there. Once it's out in the open.

Eric:

That's fair. fair. That's fair.

Gil:

That's a fair point. I'm just asking just from a general thing because it's like people who spent their whole life knowing that they did something wrong and have progressed from that point, but people so point to the beginning of, you did. Hence why you spent the next 40 years of your life doing your rep pet to a degree. Yeah.

Chris:

It takes years to build your reputation, but seconds for it

Gil:

to fall apart. No, absolutely.

Eric:

That's a good one, Chris. Yeah.

Gil:

But yeah, I like the cancel holder, but it does create the accountability piece. Cause they're, that's how we're able to get rid of some people who should not have been there. or taken advantage of their power. Absolutely. TV execs,

Eric:

what was that? Fair?

Gil:

Yeah. TV executives or people, what kinda positions? Yeah.

Chris:

Like Brandon Fraser, what happened to him? Yeah. Oh yeah. He got, yeah. that was a person taking advantage of their position in the industry.

Eric:

Les moon vest. Yeah. what he did to Janet. How he has strengthened Scientology. But this is an Anti Scientology podcast. You can listen to Fair Game by Leah Remini and Mike Rinder, if you want that love, which is a, my podcast, fyi. I listen, love that. It's Alana hiatus and I'm super sad, but I follow her too. But anyway, that's off topic, Chrisie, and I need to discuss stuff. so Zachary Quinto has said that there are still tons of gay male celebrities that are out in Hollywood, but they're afraid to come out, which we talked about the other day. Yes, we have. Yeah. And here's his quote. There are still actors who believe their careers are better served by not acknowledging their authentic selves. That's their prerogative. But I think we are part of a movement that is unstoppable. So again, I representation matters. We're always talking about being able to have more queer actors into roles. Yes. but it is still very much a thing, even though Hollywood says that it's super progressive, it's still very much a thing. true. but it was good to hear that. another quick little thing that I wanted to talk about with, going back to the Senate, passing that law to codify the Mormon Church voices support for the US same sex marriage Bill, this is recording. This is according to w. The Mormon Church voices support for the United States. Same sex marriage

Gil:

bill. What? This is not like a fake Twitter account, No, that's like the, again,

Eric:

no, this is from wpo.

Gil:

Okay. I just, at this point, I am just triple checking because this is the same church that paid millions for prop aid in California. Okay. That we all

Eric:

remember. Okay. Can I finish reading? Yeah. go ahead. The Mormon church said Tuesday that it is supporting federal legislation seeking to protect same sex marriage rights. But it cautioned that the church's doctrine stating marriage should be between a man and a woman, remained unchanged in a marked shift from, of attacks on LGBTQ rights. The statement was perhaps the clearest declaration of support, yet on same-sex marriage from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The church said it believes the respective marriage act is the quote unquote, the way forward. The bill would require same sex and interracial marriages to be recognized across the United States as long as the marriage was valid in the state in which it was performed. Wait,

Chris:

hold on. They're supporting it, but wanna caution people to be like, What our doctrine says

Eric:

this. Yeah. So they're saying that in their church, they still believe this way, but they are supporting the fact that people who are not, part of their church

Chris:

first of all, they shouldn't be talking about no politics.

Eric:

true. They should be taxed since they are. Yes.

Gil:

Yeah. A thousand

Chris:

percent. that's are they losing parishioners so fast because of Possibly.

Eric:

Possibly. That's

Chris:

very possible. Probably the younger generation, they're like, oh, it's harder for us to get the buy-in.

Eric:

I was super shocked to read that. That is whoa. Super, super, super shocked.

Chris:

whoa, that's insane. Yeah. That's like a 360. Yes, I agree. Kinda, No,

Eric:

it's 180. Yeah, you're right. 180 360 would take us back to where we started. Yeah, you're right.

Gil:

Time

Chris:

That's interesting. Yeah. That sounds like an onion article though.

Eric:

I was super shocked. Like I was very shocked to see that. I was like, am I reading this right? Yeah, it has to

Chris:

be because they're losing young per parishioners

Eric:

and it could be. let's see. We talked about Qatar. In

Gil:

the World Cup? Yes. The World Cup. Yep. Next weekend. Or

Eric:

this weekend, sorry. Apologize. Yeah, it starts this weekend. So it'll have already started by the time this episode drops, but a lot of people are bashing it. They, FIFA is now saying it was a huge mistake, which I think we might have talked about in our last episode. Yeah. We, yeah. what was it? Du Lipa has shut down rumors that she will perform at the World Cup. Yes. She said, I look forward to visiting Qatar when it has fulfilled all human right pledges. It's made the original song and I don't know who, what song it was and who's saying the song, but the original song that was released for the World Cup for guitar this year, this go round, underperformed. So they were hoping that Shakira would come and perform Waa Walka, which she did for the World Cup a few years back. when it was in South Africa, I believe. And she said no, she was not gonna go there and perform because of their human rights violations, So a lot of people are actually speaking up against it, and I think that's, Yeah,

Chris:

Joe, he's a British, for those of you guys, I don't know, a British comedian, Joe Lizett, Uhhuh, he called out David Beckham because Beckham was apparently a sponsor. Or spokesperson Yes. For the guitar. And he was like, I will donate 10,000 pounds. if you essentially drop out of the, what is it? sponsorship or, yeah. And, but if you don't, I'm gonna shred one pound per day, like physically shred it and instead of donating it to, young queer like outreach programs and all that stuff, like it's gaining

Eric:

some traction. And they're saying, and they're saying too that, David Beckham's gonna lose his, spot as a gay heartthrob and gay icon. 62% of, Brits oppose Qatar hosting the World Cup over its anti LGBTQ plus laws. Yeah. again, it's going back to basic human rights. I was having a conversation and I know homeboy made his announcement about running. I'm not gonna talk too much about that, cuz whatever. No, let's not acknowledge that. but I was having a conversation and I was like, I'm, I would love. to have the economy be like my top priority on what I'm voting for. Like I would like that for that to be like the main thing that I have to worry about. But I literally have to worry about my rights being taken away. I have to worry about my neighbor's rights being taken away. Those are things, flags are everybody. Yeah. So if you're not supporting human rights, and I'm speaking globally now, not just domestically, but globally, then you are just telling people that they don't matter. how privileged are you that you never have to worry about your rights being taken away every time there's an administration change? Yeah. So just some things to think about. let's talk a little bit about, Brittany Griner, cuz she has now been moved to a penal colony from her prison. So that's not good. Yeah. What do you guys, any opinions on. I'm,

Chris:

to be honest, I'm not too familiar with the, I don't follow the storyline

Eric:

for, okay, so Brittany Grinner, she's a W N B A player. we don't pay our women athletes nearly what they deserve to be paid. And they don't get paid nearly what the men do. So they often have to go play in leagues in other countries. She plays for a league in Russia. Oh. Oh. And they, she had a cartridge or two car, a couple cartridges that had liquid cannabis in it. So then they arrested her and they're using her basically as a bargaining tool because of like the war and everything

Chris:

else. So she's like almost like a p w right. Like a form of that. Cause she's not a prisoner of war, but she's, no, but she's being held and she's being used as a Yeah. As a like diploma

Gil:

medical pawn. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, pretty much. It probably could have not have prosecuted her to the level that they did. Yes. But like I said, this is their country at the same time, so they're going to do what they're gonna do to get whatever advantages over us for it.

Eric:

Yes.

Gil:

so it's just curious what Biden's going to, or if it's not Biden, whoever's after him

Eric:

wonder what's, I wonder what's gonna happen too with that. I feel like nothing's gonna get done with that. And I think it's terrible

Chris:

based on that information. And if she's been there a while, right?

Eric:

She's been there, she's been there what I wanna say, like almost a year now. And then she got sentenced. Yeah. Almost there. And then she got sentenced to nine years, like about a month, two months ago. She got sentenced to nine years and they're now moving her to a penal colony, which basically means she's being moved to, Siberia. Interesting.

Chris:

Putin is the one that's putting

Eric:

the stop on this. He's the one who's, it's his law. Who does

Chris:

he wanna trade her for?

Gil:

But that's the thing, cuz us, we have people that they have interest in. Yeah. So it's a trade. That's what it would be. Either we've captured Russian spies or we've captured people of interest for them that they would want released. Paper of

Eric:

her. But I also wonder if part of this, and I think it's totally all of what you just said, Gill, but I'm also wondering if part of it is because, they did just pass their, anti-gay propaganda law where they just, they didn't just pass it, but they expanded upon it. So now it doesn't just affect children, it also affects adults. And she is a lesbian. So I wonder if that has anything to do with it as well. Oh damn. Poor girl. They were looking for, they were looking for a reason to, for a lack of better metaphorical speak, grab the US by the balls and be able to make us cower.

Chris:

why is there a reluctance for us to turn whoever they are interested in? Or is it because we're like, if we hand you over this person, you're totally gonna murder them. And it's like almost like a bad humanitarian move.

Gil:

like it just, there's just a lot of back and forth. This is like every country with the us. This is not something new. it's big because she's known cuz she's a named person. God forbid if she was not harass is gonna be there for nine years without question. No one would blink an eye. But because of the popularity, cuz if she is a w former W N B A player, therefore there's clout around her

Eric:

and they can use it for a higher bargaining price. Yeah.

Gil:

For somebody else that the US has, that they know of in our, and it could be somebody that they want back who's provided the US with information or something like that.

Chris:

But if we hand back that person would be prosecuted for treating. No. No. They may

Eric:

not be. They may not be. It depends on what they need them for.

Gil:

Because like us asking back for this person, it's not like we're gonna prosecute here now under US law. True. So that's what you wanna look at it, but it like the same thing. Do you bargain with they or terrorists or the, other governments about it. It's, back and forth.

Eric:

Interesting. I do think t Grinner needs to come home. I have two more news stories you guys and then I promise we'll move on from it. Frankie Grande, the older half brother to Ariana Grande was oh, assaulted and robbed by two teenagers in New York. the police did relocate and arrest the perpetrators. Oh wow. He was walking down an NYC street last week. When he got punched in the back of the head by two suspects, one of whom is reportedly only 13 years old, the other is 17. They jacked his bag and ran off, but the crime did not pay. The teens tried using one of Grande's credit cards at a smoke shop, at which point police swiftly located and arrested them. The attackers were charged on counts of assault, robbery, and grand larceny, but they're minors. Yeah. This is the second time this year that the famous siblings have made headlines were being targeted by criminals. The reports noted last June, Ariana's stalker broke into her house on her birthday. Oh, damn.

Gil:

I hope he is. speedy recovery to him. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my

Eric:

gosh. damn. And then lastly, we're gonna end on a slightly more positive note,

Gil:

Okay. We're all slowly declining. I

Eric:

know. I, Isaac Humphreys becomes the first top tier basketball player to come out as gay Australian basketball player. Isaac Humphreys has made history as the first active top tier league athlete in the sport to come out as gay. The 24 year old tweeted a video of himself speaking to his male born united teammates about his decision to come out and his desire to use it as an opportunity to represent people who were struggling with their sexuality. I know how that feels. You can live and you don't have to hide. He said he acknowledged that, internalized homophobia led him to some extremely dark times, and this had influenced his decision to be out on the court. Good for him.

Gil:

That's good. Yes. At least that's one slight crack into that window. Yes. I think that's, like I said, I, we've seen it before. We've seen it, in the nfl everywhere else, but it's just how do you consistently or it's not a thing. Yeah. And

Eric:

little, and it, it goes back to the whole this is what masculinity looks like. This is what being a man looks like. Yeah. You can't do this. You can't do this. And I can't, I like said sports. Yeah. You can't play sports. what's up bro? Yeah. Bra. Bra. Bra. And like Chris and I, like we talked about the last time you were on about having such strong internalized homophobia and which prevented us from doing a lot of things that we would've done and how, like painting your nails now, like it's it's very liberating. Excuse. Small things. The small thing, it's a small thing, but it's very liberating. It's like a big fuck you to my internalized homophobia and a big fuck you. And I'm waving my middle finger around for people who can see that you guys on a podcast a big fuck you to the patriarchy, like to talk to sick masculinity. So I, I applaud him for that. I think that's awesome. Good for

Chris:

him. I'm very proud of him. Toxic

Gil:

masculinity. He cracks me up because they're such fucking snowflakes to use their own terminology. Yes. God forbid you tease them. Oh, start crying. There's this, and tough

Chris:

energy. Yeah. They're over there like smacking each other's asses, like hitting each other's balls and stuff. I'm like Okay.

Eric:

Pulling a Madison callthorne and humping your cousin. Yeah,

Gil:

of course.

Chris:

But the male, the straight male ego is very fragile. Yes.

Eric:

As we've learned, we just talked about with the whole, we need to marry up these women so that they don't have a say All these antiabortion laws. Oh, did you hear that? Justice Alito was like bragging and is super proud to be the author of the, do's opinion that was the most globally spoken about opinion to come from scotus. I think that's trash and gross growth. Sorry, I said we were gonna light on a happy note and I had, and I brought that right. Do apologize but rude.

Gil:

This is the, it's part of the news as the same time. Like it's up and down. Like I said, this is something, like I said, we're in time, boomers are dying off and we dust just back. We're not trying to be cool about it, but with them dying off, I think just for us looking for the long game, it's how do we put turn limits on SCOs? Yes. So that we're not running into the fucking scenario every time. Yes. And do we put a cap on? Let's say all of them decide, like I said, so as they're retiree, no president, like in 2016 has the ability to nominate three justices. You get one. It should not happen one time if it happens during your time. and to the people like it's just fucking

Eric:

ridiculous. and then you have to go into the whole thing of McConnell should not have been able, should not have had the power to refuse Garland Correct. and hold that seat for Gorsuch and then to literally have the audacity to ram bear it. Yeah. Yeah. When before, like literally what, like a month before? Yeah.

Gil:

oh, it's so frustrating.

Eric:

So I know we've talked to nauseam about SCOTUS and so we don't have to go too much into that, but that was just a little something that like, jumped out at me and said, for future, don't forget about me in the news. So I had to like, yeah. be like, ok, let's talk about you. but let's take a break you guys, and then we'll be right back. Hey, Gill. I was just having a discussion with another one of our guests being flagged on social media. There really needs to be a place where queer content creators can share their content without the fear of being flagged or

Gil:

silenced. Well, Eric, they need to check out the adult social media known as asm, this adult social media.com,

Eric:

the adult social media.

Gil:

What's that? It's the best social online space for adults. Whether you're a content creator, a model, an adult related business, or a fan of any of the above, then you definitely need to check it out.

Eric:

Awesome. A place for models and content creators to connect with their fans.

Gil:

And that's not all you can pose, chat, create groups, sell or purchase content. Plus they have a, uh, dating feature where you can connect with other fans of adult content. Great. Sign me up. Go to the adult social media.com. Sign up for a free, or you could purchase a verified account and start connecting with other adults that appreciate adult content.

Eric:

I'm headed over to the adult social media.com right now. And we're back. yay, yay, let's go ahead and do a q and a. Did you wanna do a Q and a Gil?

Gil:

Yeah, let's do a q a. Let's get the answers for the questions. Gonna ask

Chris:

Oh, do I ask from the list that you sent me, are we asking each other? Or am I be you?

Gil:

You can, whatever nosy

Eric:

questions. You know what? You can totally ask us. Cause Okay. Oh, and you don't have to stick with what's on the list. So if a question comes to you that you're like, oh my God, I gotta ask that question, you can go ahead and ask that question. I'm not drinking though, so I don't know how much I will divulge in my, all my answers if it gets to that type of question. But

Gil:

we're an open book. So what? dot. Do All

Chris:

right. Who's

Eric:

first? We'll let you go first. Okay. you're back in the closet. We want you to feel like you can

Chris:

speak. For those of you that are listening, I'm inside the closet changing my outfit. No,

Eric:

he's literally in a closet to record this. I'm, he has better acoustics recording in a closet. He has better acoustics than the rest of us do, though.

Chris:

alright, so tell me about a time you first tried drugs.

Eric:

Okay. I was in eighth grade. Yes, I was in eighth grade. I don't remember if I skipped my last period or if I just went after my last period. I was supposed to meet, I went to meet up with a friend and they gave me some sort of pill. What color was it? It was white. We were supposed to like smoke out, but we didn't, and they ended up just giving me a pill. Cause I think like pill? No, we were, no, we were supposed to like smoke pot. Oh, okay. But I guess, I think like their mom came home early or something, so they literally like just gave me a pill and then I had to walk back and I like lived pretty far from my school, so I don't remember exact, I had to have skipped class so that I could get to my bus. and I remember taking the pill in it, honestly, didn't do anything to me. Like I didn't feel any way at all. So I could have just been a sugar pill for all I know. the first time. I'm super boring you guys. Like I am very boring. My, relationship with substances is very minimal. Yeah. So I've smoked pot and I've drank alcohol and that's literally it. I've been invited to do other things, but I've always turned it down because I have super, crazy control issues and I, if I don't know you I'm not gonna trust you to not let me make a fool of myself. So I have been drugged before though, but that wasn't willingly. I wasn't, that's involuntary. Yeah. so I'm super boring, so I've never done anything. I find drug culture extremely fascinating and I read about it a lot and study it, but. I, myself have never done anything really. So I think the first time I smoked pot, a friend came over, I was in eighth grade, a friend came over, my family very busy or My, my family was, I think at a Lobo game or something. I don't know if it was football or basketball, but they were somewhere. But here's the stupid thing, here's the stupid thing. So I left my keys at my house or something. I went with a friend and we went to go smoke. Like we didn't smoke at my house. We went to go smoke. I think we just went to the park and I smoked cigarettes at the time. And, so we went to go smoke. I left my keys at the house and so I was locked outta my house. But luckily I had opened my, I had my window cracked open. So I was able to get into my house, do my window, but then stupid me, like I put my window back, I go back and go outside to go talk to my friend, and I locked myself out of the house again. And then I had to break back into my house again. So that was my first time with it. yeah, that's, and up until recently, and when I say recently, I mean within the last six months. no, I guess maybe the last, like once it became like legalized, I don't really consider marijuana a drug, but prior to it being legalizing me having a medical card and now it's legal recreationally here as well. I could count on my hands how many times I tried to and still have fingers left over. I'm super sensitive to it though, so like I've tried tinctures and everything else and they knock me out for 16 hours, so I just don't do it. I have smoked a here and I, I try not to smoke cause I don't wanna destroy my lungs, but I have smoked here and there a couple times in the recent few months, but I won't like actually smoke it. Someone has to shotgun me in order for me to smoke it. So it's usually sealed with a kiss or leading to other stuff. So that was a long answer. That was more than

Chris:

you. I was, that was lovely. Thank you for sharing, You're welcome. Thank you for your vulnerability.

Eric:

I'm just trying to live in my authenticity here.

Chris:

oh, I know the answer, but Husband, what about you,

Eric:

You still haven't tried anything? No.

Gil:

I just been no secret. The only time that I've ever been, like I said, somebody gave me something cuz I thought it was like, I was at work, I was at Dion's, and I was having like, I wasn't feeling well, already had a headache. And then so they gave me like, here's a pill. I don't think, they obviously was not malicious. They gave me something. they mixed up the, what the pills were. And I swear to this day I saw God like deer, like something come through the door. So where I work, I'm making my pizza, I'm looking around at the door and I'm like, oh my God, what are you? And I, they could see me reaching out like, what are you doing in here? It was like a deer or something walking through the Dion's.

Eric:

Oh, so you have a hallucinogen? Yes. I didn't know this story. Yeah, this is like in

Chris:

2007

Gil:

I was on the west side still and I, I would just having, I felt much better and I was relaxed and making the pizzas probably, I only did two in an hour, which is obviously Wow,

Eric:

okay. Some people stopping out there

Gil:

you. Of course. I was like, I'm gonna go take the bus home. And they gave me a ride home. They're like, oh no, we got you. no,

Eric:

honey, Oh my God's hilarious. That reminded me that's the only time I used, and they're not illegal, but I used to love to. Huff and sniff. So I used to huff gasoline and sniff, rubbing alcohol and nail polish remov a lot when I was younger. to

Chris:

get high or just cause you're like, wow, this makes me feel

Eric:

special. No, I love, cuz I love the smell of it, but then I would get high also in addition to, so it was like a bonus So I act, I literally like at one point had to like, stop myself from like, when I would pump gas, I would have to walk further away so that I wouldn't get the fu cause I'd be like, oh my gosh, gasoline smells so good. Or oh my gosh, rubbing alcohol smells so good, or acetone smells so great. And I'm like, eh, not anymore.

Gil:

yeah, cause I've no cigarettes for me. I've never had it. I don't like the smell. And then I also have allergies. I've not tried marijuana. I do like a good cigar. I am not gonna lie. No hypocrite. but still even that I am, it's not like I do that regularly whatsoever. But I, my first time I had it, it's actually with my dad. We were in the backyard and I think it was like in 2010, right before graduating. And then he and I had it for the first time. I was like, oh my God, this is wonderful. I just had a great time. I was like, it's to me it was a, it was an experience. I had my bourbon with my cigar, creating this whole illusion in my mind of what I expect for it. So that's what I had and it just complimented. It went very well. I enjoy. Nice. Yeah. But otherwise, I just never had a desire and I've had friends who've done it. it's not new to me. Yeah. I just knock my cup of tea. I don't know. Just, I'm, I don't know. I have enough strong will.

Eric:

I'm like, nope, I'm good. I'm gonna admit something here. Poor Chris is like trying to answer his own question. And I'm like, and let, keep talking. Every, this podcast is Eric, just shut up and let everyone else talk. I feel like I've missed a rite of passage though, cuz I feel like I'm too old now to experi. Like I know, like I could experiment with them if I wanted to. I know I'm not too old to try it, but at the same time I feel like I'm find good stuff, I feel like I'm too old to like actually experiment with it now. So I feel like I missed a rite of passage as far as trying certain things. so

Chris:

you can always revisit the idea later. Yeah. there's a 80 something year old DJ lady. She's a boss. You should, you look at, look

Eric:

around. Oh, I would totally DJ Oma. I would totally be a DJ at my age or

Chris:

I still think I it like you're never too old. You do, you boom.

No,

Eric:

I think, no, I agree with that. Like I actually think I'd be a bomb DJ cuz I think I know music well, but Yeah. But I don't. My body, I don't think could handle it now. Like I have autoimmune diseases now and all this other stuff. I feel like I've missed that rite of passage. Yes. I know. I could always be like, Hey, can someone like introduce me to Molly or whatever. But I don't feel like I, I don't feel like I'm at a place now where I need to go down that road. But I feel like I missed my opportunity to at least say hi to the people driving down that road. Like I have friends who did it. I've been offered it many times, but like I said, I have control issues, so I've never done it. Yeah. but I feel like I missed that part of my youth. Your

Chris:

experimental phase. Yes. Yeah. No, that makes sense. You have a lot more to consider health wise now. So that makes sense. But you are never too old. If you're 86 and you're like, I'm gonna try it, go for

Eric:

it. You know what I'm, as long as you're not destroying your life, go for it. When I'm on my death bed,

Gil:

yeah. Just take out

Chris:

the dead. She's pop me. Okay. So I guess it's my turn. I've only tried weed once. Okay. Once. And it was 2018, pride of 2018, I think it was. And,

Eric:

so not that long ago,

Chris:

Yeah. Not that long ago. pre pandemic. I, yes, pre pandemic. we were at Dolores Park in the city, and like Baca, Seth and Danae came. Those are all friends of theirs. Yes. they all came Oh. For pride and stuff. And then my friend who lives locally there, she was like, Hey, do you wanna get some edibles? And I was like, ed, not wine, edible. Fuck. I was already drinking. I was like, why not? I, I'm curious how it feels and stuff like that. and I, it was like a jello shot ish thing. syringe. And I got high. Like high A and I barely remember the ride in the bus back to the Airbnb but apparently I had a very sophisticated conversation with Danae that how the letter A is a superior letter of all that alphabet. Interesting. And I, what were the points you brought

Eric:

up?

Chris:

It's so

Gil:

versatile. Okay.

Chris:

It could do a hard and a soft. Okay. and it can make, it's always better, hard, like it can have different sounds too and stuff. So it was a very in depth conversation. And, we got back to the Rpv and I passed out. I was probably like, ha all giggly and stuff. And, my sister said that I called them and I was I'm like laughing, oh my God, I tried weed. It was an edible. Oh my God. I'm high right now. And, I didn't like the feeling. I've been told it's about, oh, you cross faded. because I was drinking at the same time, but I've done that too. But my mind was like going at 3000 miles a minute. The, it wasn't my, my mouth was not matching the speed, so it was like, I don't know. I was like, I'm co maybe again, later in life, not, I have no current desire, but maybe later in life,

Eric:

who knows? Yeah. It typically makes me like pretty paranoid. So I don't like that feeling. I had a really cool idea though. We should just let Chris ask all the question. What?

Gil:

No. No

Chris:

Justs. But a privilege. I didn't need to, to

Gil:

task for please. Question two.

Chris:

Go for it. no. Somebody has ask the question. I can't have all that pressure.

Gil:

I don't, let's see. I know all the pressures on me.

Eric:

What advice would you give to someone going through our breakup? I don't think we asked this one yet, have we? I know not today, but in our last No.

Chris:

As an avid listener, no.

Gil:

Okay. I would give the advice to cry it all out. Get the emotions, whatever you need out of it. learn from it. Don't be destructive with the recovery as best one can, and then find someone to get over or under. Many times until the pain goes away. Whatever comes first. Yeah. So what advice do you guys

Chris:

I, depending on the situation, Avi. Avi, but if it was like a nor like a quote unquote normal breakup, not like a super toxic, abusive kind of relationship, breakup, I, I like cry it out. Same. if you need to cry it out, I'm there. Let's go watch some cheesy yes. romance movies. I'll get the ice cream. reassure them that, there's plenty of other people on this earth, you'll be okay. try not to live in the past and don't try to, they're, you're, they're your ex for a reason, So therefore you should like not try to be like, oh, oh, but I can change them. Oh, I can do go back. No, like you broke up with them. You're fine. You'll be okay. Move on. And I'll be your wing man.

Eric:

Eric huh. I think I would do the, I'll agree or cosign with the cry it out, but I would be like, cry it out, be mad, be angry. Break stuff, yell at stuff. If you need to hit something, do it. find your closure and find the closure for yourself. Yep. remember you are that bitch you are a bitch. And don't let anyone tell you different. And then I would probably do everything in my pow I don't know if I would, nowadays the old me would definitely do everything in my power to put everyone, put you back together, polish you, Dutch, you off, and put you back on the shelf for display so everyone could appreciate you. yeah, I guess I probably still do that. I try not to break. I try not to fix people anymore, but I think that's still part of me.

Chris:

It's your natural motherly instinct I guess.

Gil:

There's nothing wrong with it. I'm a by-product of it.

Eric:

This whole situation right here is a byproduct of it.

Chris:

Yeah. True story. Yata,

Gil:

what would your younger self think of you today?

Eric:

I'll defer that to Chris

Gil:

you're kinda weird

Chris:

yeah, I don't, that's a hard one because it's like, you can tell, you can be like, if you give yourself advice, but to be like, what? He's kinda weird kinda, right? I don't know. Cool. cause like when you're older you find like stuff that you're like, back in the day, you're like, oh God, this is so boring. Like, why would you buy a couch? But as an adult you're like, wow, I bought a couch. So maybe nerdy, oh, you're weird and nerdy. I don't know. That's a hard one. Eric,

Eric:

I'm trying to think of how I wanna take this question. Part of me thinks that a younger me would look at me today and be like, wow, you've done nothing with your life. But I don't know if that's just the self-deprecating version of myself or not. but I feel like a younger me would probably be disappointed with the things that I've accomplished, but I also think that a younger me would be like, wow, you've overcome a lot of shit and a lot of trauma and a lot of yeah. adversities, and you're still surviving and you're a strong motherfucker. So I'm torn between the two. wow, you haven't really done a whole lot with yourself and wow, you've really overcome and triumph over a lot of shit. yeah, that's my

Chris:

answer. Okay.

Gil:

I think the younger me would be shocked that the older me found a voice because I think a lot of what I, especially growing up was very, like I said, Eric saw the transition. My good, like I said, my long term friend Zach knew me. the meet. he knew there was something in there, but it was still a lot more bottled up. And it pretty much, after Eric, it was all, everyone knows me as post that growing up and stuff like that. And I think a younger would be shocked to a lot of ways of how I've grown into the person that I am today and some of the risks that I've taken, throughout the years. for God's sake. When I was in college, meeting a guide and all of a sudden he was like, you wanna go to Wolf Creek with me? Sure. I just met you last week. Let's go leave the states stuff like that I would've obvious never totally New Mexico. Yeah. Like it said, I would've never done that. I would never dreamt of something like that or me coming out or really coming to terms or, imagining my parents in the same fucking room. as a kid I would like, it seemed unimaginable and I think there would be a little bit of some shock of, wow, you, you did it, you survive, you lived, you, through all the faults. This, this is definitely, I saw myself living in Tiburon in Marin County, BH 30 with some high power, six figure job. And it took me to get anywhere near states figures in my mid thirties, because of the economy and other shit that happened. Every millennial, could blame at this point. and that's just, I think it would be, I think my younger self would be kinda like, wow, okay, this is where the story. It's not probably what I project as a kid or thought I was gonna be doing, Yeah. I hope he would be satisfied. Cause fuck it. This is the way it happened. Ok.

Chris:

So the up

Eric:

wow. I'm like, you're at six figures. I'm like, so like an awe right now.

Chris:

he's not Just

Gil:

to clarify, he's not close.

Eric:

I was like

Gil:

six figures of,

Eric:

and it's really none of my business. sorry I didn't that.

Gil:

no. But it's a struggle to get, cause I looked, I found my, its funny cuz I was going through my stuff today. They started pulling out some of the Christmas stuff, little by little, to, start, get going. Cause I work in retail, like I said, I don't have time to be setting up. So I'm trying to set it up when I can. I found my first paycheck from, 2005 and looking at how much I came from there to now, and some of the struggles and stuff like that. It's just, it's, I appreciate, like I said, I appreciate every fucking dollar I've ever earned and yeah, the leaps and mounds and some of the regression and progression that's, come with my career and stuff like that,

Chris:

Yeah. people can't take that away from you. there's some of our peers. And young kids are like, they're being handed a silver platter. And I can, we can honestly say that we've worked very hard at getting to the point where we're at ourselves. We were not given the opportunities just because we know somebody, we weren't given a silver platter by our parents. Like I like there's a sense of there's no trust fund There's no trust fund either. So it's like there's a sense of pride that, we were, Gil and I were really poor in Seattle. Like we both would take $20 to Target to buy groceries for two weeks. And how's it, we counted pennies, down to the tax and everything. $40 to last two weeks. And now needless to say, I don't look at price tags a little bit I'm just like, okay, I need cereal or I need milk. I'm not like okay calculating it. I'm just like putting in the grocery

Eric:

cart. Cause you're a

Chris:

bougie bitch now. Yeah. There is a little bougie side of me right now, but, but we're, and good for you're proud of it. I'm very proud that I left New Mexico and I moved to a different state and I earned my position where I'm at now. Yeah.

Eric:

That's super inspiring. I think you're younger, you would be like, wow, you are so inspiring.

Chris:

Maybe, maybe though like he would be like, wow, you finally left

Eric:

My would be like, why did you go back?

Chris:

cause I always wanted to leave New Mexico. I just never really felt I belong. I know there's residue and stuff like that, but, cause I, to give you an example, like I was at Target and I applied for a job. It was in Albuquerque before we left. and I dressed to the knights. I wore dress, slacks, loafers bun up shirt. I did my hair, clone everything. And it was like a, they had like multiple candidates come in at once. a guy was there, he was in skater shoes, Dicky pants, super baggy. Literally half-assing his pants and a white shirt that had a couple of stains on it and messy hair. And then, I didn't get the position. obviously. And what I mean obviously is cuz we left and I don't work for Target. I had never worked for Target at all. And there was the guy, cuz we went back to go grab something real quick cuz it was near my aunt's and this, the guy was there, he was. I was like, oh, okay. I took the time to actually care how I presented myself and took the interview very serious. But you got the job probably cuz you knew somebody. Possibly. Yeah. It's kind, it's kinda interesting. I it is cause New Mexico is very much like that, it's who you know. Yeah. I will be guilty. I am guilty. I'm not gonna throw a huge stone in a glass house. that's how I got my first job. like my second cousin got me an opportunity to work for the city, but I was never a political hire is what we called it. I never late, was lazy about it. I took my job very seriously and I worked hard and, all that I didn't lack soft just because I knew the boss. Yeah. So it was definitely, yeah, it's very different mentality and yeah. No you's just Mr. Managers and just,

Gil:

all that. Hey Chris, what's the question?

Chris:

I believe, oh, no. Yeah. Eric, now's yours. It's all you. No, cuz Eric didn't ask a question. You asked two in a row. No, I asked

Gil:

question. Eric actually asked it over because I couldn't decide. So he asked one, then I asked

Chris:

one. Oh, shoot. Okay.

Gil:

Oh, you have the receipts.

Chris:

what were the feelings that you experienced when you kissed somebody that was the same gender or like the gender that you were interested in? like my first kiss with a boy, kind thing.

Gil:

Huh? we're going back to the database from 1850 and I'm like 18. The Trojan

Eric:

then I was probably in BC times, or CE times although it was more accepted in BC times, if you look at Greece and all that other stuff. That is true. I, the first time. I think the first time was probably awkward and fumbly and I think I was like, oh my gosh, I'm not supposed to be doing this. this is wrong. it was probably my first thought like, oh my gosh, like this is wrong. but I also think there was a part of me that was like, oh, so this is what it's supposed to feel like. Like these are the butterflies that people talk about. These are like, this is that like slight feeling of euphoria that people just talk about when you like actually kiss someone that you're interested in and Yeah, I guess, I don't know. Kissing guys is weird to me. It's not weird, but it's always much more like animalistic to me, Like it just feels more like raw and aggressive

Gil:

they're trying to eat or something. There's no one rushing you. I can't. More lip,

Eric:

I just I think it's just very, it definitely heighten well now it like definitely heightens me sexually. I need kissing for other things now. But I guess the first time, just cuz the question is the first time. Yeah. yeah, I think it was a mixture of, oh my God, this is wrong, you shouldn't be doing this. And oh my gosh, this is what it's supposed to feel like. So everything like I just said, so I took 35 minutes to say the exact same thing that I said the first five seconds.

Gil:

It's kinda hard because like I said at the time, it's like exciting. It's kinda oh my, almost felt rebellious. Yeah. That it, at least for me, that's the way I was feeling cuz I was, what is, I was like 18, with my first boyfriend and I, that was my very first kiss ever. I didn't kiss. girls growing up, the first time I had a girlfriend for a week, she tried to kiss me and I said, absolutely not before Risch, we broke Was you once a week? those, I don't what I was hiding. but like, when I did it, it was very, it was spontaneous, but it was also, like I said, it just felt very rebellious. But I, I also felt not quite dirty afterwards. It was just like that first a butterfly and didn't turn into that Catholic guilt, like Sanken for a second. afterwards. Yeah. I don't know how to explain it. Like it was just, it was a lot of things going on at the same time. I liked what I did, but it was still oh, do you really? Yeah. After the first, yeah.

Chris:

I, I had I'm gonna share is that I had kissed a boy when I was like younger, like in elementary, there, but that's like a quick little, but like when I later after puberty was, or the harmonies were running through the body, my first kiss, it was, it almost felt electric, like something so good now. It was like, it, like something sparked in me. and like you Eric, there was some slight butterflies and stuff. And I remember thinking like after oh, that, that it felt right. like you can kiss i's you're like a kiss girls before, and it was like, okay, you've been like French kiss girls. okay. But that kiss was like, whoa, that hit different, And I just remember just feeling huh, I don't feel bad. I like, I don't feel guilty. I feel. like a Interesting. Yeah.

Eric:

If that makes sense, Yeah, no, that does. Is there a feeling or an emotion that you miss?

Chris:

I don't, it's not really it's like a state of mind. Okay. That counts, Cause I kinda miss not adulting Okay. If that makes sense. like having to not worry about paying bills. paying rent, paying car insurance, all the usual utilities. And, I miss, just worrying about what am I gonna do this weekend with my friends, Or. it did like teenagehood and like early, like twenties was like drama. don't miss that. But there was like almost this like optimism but at the same time it was like, like I just, I, oh God, I don't remember signing up for the fool subscription to this adulthood, but I'm here. So I miss having that almost naiveness about like how things are But there's a plus, that you go through it and you learn and all that stuff. So I grow, I appreciate growing as a person, but just that slight, feeling of like what am I gonna do this weekend? like with my friends, that was more of the worry that I had. Yeah. Instead of okay, like I'm, since I'm a manager, did that conversation go right? Did do this. oh my gosh, should I say the wrong thing? Am I doing that constant living in your own head, anxiety and stuff like that. So

Gil:

that, for me it's, I, it's a feeling that there will be tomorrow. And what I mean by that is, As I've gotten older, I, it felt like time. I had forever. oh, I'll see you next week. Oh, I'll go see you, don't worry. I'll be there. Whatever the hell it was. And I realized that, especially as I got in the last five years or so, it's just I, there time is, it's, it just keeps ticking. And it, it's like I just don't, the people, I said, everyone that I see when I go visit New Mexico again and see my grandparents or, like I said, they're older. I'm down to two. I had four, five years ago, I had all four. I was blessed to have 'em as long as I did. is, it's oh yeah, don't worry. I'll make time for, like I said, it's just that sense of they will be gone. And then little by little, my, my world or everyone that I knew growing up or, it just, it's disappearing. In that sense of that time of there, there's always gonna be tomorrow. In reality, there's not. And then my question to myself is that, am I really living in enough moments or am I just autopilot, autopiloting things. And I think that's where I'm just getting to that point where I'm just, it just really been hitting me a little bit more, especially during the pandemic where that opened that up more where I'm like, am I really enjoying life? Am I, and that's, that naiveness about time. So that's why I'm like, I need to make more. More activeness or be more active again. Cause I don't know where I became more I got too stuck in, I need to pay bills, I need to do this, I need, and I lost that sense of, like I said that I'll see you soon. It just doesn't happen soon enough. And then they're gone. Yeah. So that's, it was a little darker, but that's kinda something that I miss a feeling that I had forever. Yeah. How about you Eric

Eric:

I think I miss the feeling of being curious and being explorative. Uhhuh, I feel like I've become, I don't wanna say content cuz that's not the right word. I've become comfortable Okay. In a mundane existence. And I feel like right now I lack the curiosity or the willingness to explore further options and to see what's out in life. And be curious about what's out in life and growth from curiosity. I miss the feeling of being uncomfortable. which I'm working on. And I've taken a few steps for that. And I ultimately think I miss the feeling of being happy. Now I don't necessarily. Remember what happy feels like. But I know there were points in my life in which I was happy, so I would like to get back to that.

Chris:

Okay. What do you think is preventing you from the being open or seeing what's out there?

Eric:

I think it's a combination of a couple things. I, again, I think I've just become very comfortable. So yeah. And I think there's probably a fear attached to it of the unknown, which is stupid. It's totally stupid and I realize how stupid it is even without having to say it out loud. I'd realize how stupid that is. But I would probably say there's probably a fear I have a, as many people do, I have a fear of failing and I have a fear of looking stupid towards other people cuz I care entirely too much about what I think other people think of me. And so I don't like to look, I don't like to put out looking anything other than as great as I can in the moment. So very few. I'm sure a lot of people have seen me fuck up and fail, but to my knowledge, not many people have. and I like to keep it that way, but I think that's stupid. Like intellectually, I know that's stupid and I also know that's very detrimental to just myself and my state of being and my growth and my happiness. but I haven't been able to, as reconcile the right word, I haven't been able to like, get those two parts of my mind to come together, to reconcile that fact and find a way to move forward. Okay. So that's my

Gil:

beautiful

Chris:

made you reflect in that

Gil:

I feel

Eric:

like I,

Gil:

is

Chris:

that my Oprah level question?

Eric:

Yes. I feel like I'm super exposed.

Chris:

Thank you for your vulnerability.

Gil:

What have you learned or what did you learn? From your first heartbreak?

Eric:

I haven't had a first heartbreak cuz I've never been in love. So

Chris:

that's a really hard one. Cause you learn something from each relationship that you've ever been with, no matter what the length of time of, you learn something, it doesn't have to be like, of yourself or like I was so young, oh yeah. like my first love, I mean it, just like anybody after their first love, like you've become a little bit more reserved. You're not like writing in the roller coaster at full throttle. you're building a wall to protect yourself cuz you're like, I need to protect myself emotionally. But the problem is that you don't wanna build too tall of a wall, to prevent anybody coming through it. Or stepping over the little one. And there's no holding baggage against others. like your former baggage is not fair to the person that you're meeting, you learn certain things, like certain signs to look for. Maybe you're like, okay, a little bit more reserved. okay, I'm not all in emotionally. I'm like, okay, like how is this gonna play out? what's your next step? you're a little bit more cautious, but I probably learned how to not put everything out there and a little bit of self preservation. That's

Gil:

smart. Yeah. Yeah. I gonna say you learn a lot during heartbreak, whether or not it's a lengthy relationship, not a lengthy relationship. And yeah, you start finding out details about even yourself, like with me it was like, oh, I, like I said, that perception of what I thought would be a good, oh, yet to be X, y, z to be a good boyfriend. And you realize that for me, like I am not that person I just, that's not me whatsoever. with certain things where I thought, you had to be. Super domesticated. And as, especially I gotten older, I'm like, I'm not super domestic. I love to be out and out. I'm a lot more, more extroverted than I thought I was. I always thought, oh, I am a complete introvert and I'm actually not whatsoever. I do enjoy being, not that I wanna talk to people, but I actually like to be out in the public. I like to be ready to go. I like getting lost in the city and that kinda stuff. But I thought in a relationship I'd be very, and that kinda shit, and it's not as

Chris:

are

Gil:

and I definitely learned, like how much shit I could put up with and where the line is. and how, like I said, it's how much can the baggage you can deal with at the same time, like I said, I have my own stuff that I provide and I comes neatly wrapped the nice giftwrapping, little fragrance with it. but at the same time it's realizing that I can't fix everything. And that's something that I had to come to terms with. Cause in my natural state, it's more okay, what can I do? I wanna make sure that I've done everything I can and realizing that I can't, I am not a, I am not everything with it. And unfortunately, And it's just knowing when, like I said, the stuff that I learned through heartbreaks, there's stuff that's deeper than I, I just unfortunately cannot, I, that's just not fair to me. I cannot for my self-preservation continue this. yeah. So that's stuff like that where I'm like, Ooh, it's unfortunate, but I learned also my own limits of how much I can do and then what I can. Yeah. so yeah, it's fun because like I said, there's no template on relationships. No. And even when you're in one, it still takes a lot of work. And I think people forget that. We're like, oh, once I get a relationship, everything's smooth, sail in. I'm like, oh no, it's just the beginning. People forget about that. No idea.

Chris:

People forget that it's two different personalities, two different backgrounds, completely different raisings in most ga hopefully most cases, I would hope. It's like trying to function as one unit, and it's literally there's no perfect relationship. Like you're literally, to put it very bluntly or maybe a little bit darkly, is that you're looking for that person who you will and them will deal with the amount of bullshit that you have or they have. that's what it is. like little corks and little things that, like you gotta find somebody that. Dealing with their idiosyncrasies. I think I've been saying that. So yeah. People forget that it's like, there's no such thing as perfect. So when they're like, oh, he checks all the boxes. Okay, there's boxes, but there's also another side of that, there's not a perfect person. It's not all happy butterflies, rainbows and sparkles. it's hard work. And every relationship goes through a dark period, like a super duper dark period. And, it's just a matter of working it as together and going to the other side together. But you're also, as long as you're with this person, you're constantly growing and changing. So finding that person that you will change and grow with, it's hard.

Gil:

It's our, oh yeah. we look like we've seen some wars. Yeah.

Chris:

No, that the gray hairs is Cause you are a backseat driver. Just kidding.

Eric:

I feel like I'm in a couples therapy session.

Chris:

Oh. And how do you feel about that Let's unpack that,

Gil:

Chris.

Chris:

yeah. Oh, my, my turn

Gil:

for a question. Okay. Oh, yes.

Chris:

how out there do you wanna go?

Eric:

As out there as you want to go? Okay.

Chris:

So what is your sexual fantasy? Okay. like an entry scenario, oh, I, if you're willing to share Avi, and has it been fulfilled? Okay. So it's a two-parter. Okay. If that makes sense.

Eric:

who's answering first?

Chris:

I can answer first. Okay. so it's been semi fulfills but I had a fantasy of I get home and my man is in a jock shop and is let's go. It's been partly fulfilled. Yes.

Gil:

Go. I don't know. This is, it's sad. it just, I don't know what my sexual Okay. I can change my question.

Eric:

No, you don't have to change your question.

Gil:

Okay. I don't know. Maybe cuz I'm a ho. I don't know. I don't mean I'm like, let's go I have no, nothing. like in that sense of like, where I'm like, oh my God, I hope this happens or something like that. I'm just like, we're gonna have, okay. It's sad. I was like, there's no with it. I'm like, sure.

Chris:

So let's just say yours has been fulfilled.

Gil:

check As long as it's more than, was it The frequency is more than, what was the number Eric? four point something months. Oh yeah. Or six months, whatever it was.

Eric:

Wasn't it like, it was like 4.68 months or

Gil:

something like that? Yeah, I think it was doing the math. Actually. That was sad. I calculated that was sad.

Chris:

Once every four to four to six months,

Eric:

4.8, six months. So yeah, between four and five months. Once every four to five months. That's

Gil:

so weird. One. Once Oh

Eric:

wow. I'm all four times in one night.

Gil:

know when I told you were so like what? It's a gill's bitchy all the time.

Eric:

so I can say that no, it has not been fulfilled. Ooh,

Chris:

ooh. Lit off that it's not been filled. Okay. Okay. What is it?

Eric:

Yeah. so I have a few Okay. We'll just go with, we'll just go with the tamer ones. Okay. so none of them have been fulfilled. We'll say that. Okay. maybe a couple have, but I don't know. so I would love to be gang banged by like multiple people. Like I would love to have a train run on me, like four to 10 people. Oh, come train. Okay. Yeah. I would love to be the bullseye. A bock. What's a bock when a whole bunch of guys are jacking off like a circle jerk

Gil:

jacking off. Oh yeah. Okay.

Eric:

I would like to be the bullseye in that. I would love to be spit roasted.

Chris:

Cool. Okay. Can you elaborate what the roasted part of that is?

Eric:

like when you spit roast of pig, like there's the two prongs, so on both you're taking it from both ends, from mouth.

Chris:

Oh,

Eric:

okay. and I would like to be dpd Okay. By two, nine and a half to 12 inches.

Chris:

Oh. The size queen. Okay.

Eric:

I'm not fully a size queen. Like I know I come off that way. I think it's a bonus, but I, it's not a deal breaker for me by any means, but I just think to Vdp would be awesome to be like, stretched out that much. but no, none of those have been fulfilled and Yeah, I like really rough, intense, almost violent type sex. And I, love come play. Like I love come, I think it's amazing, the feel, the taste, the everything about it to me is great.

Chris:

We all got just a little closer.

Eric:

Was that the type of answer you were looking for? Yeah,

Chris:

it, you answered it just

Gil:

perfectly

Eric:

What was the most pain you have felt that wasn't physical, you had it like all nice and laughing. I like brought it back down. we went from an eruption. Toci,

Gil:

Oh,

Chris:

like emotionally, right? Just emotionally.

Eric:

Emotionally situationally.

Chris:

nothing like super sexual or anything, but I. I probably felt really hurt. And it's not like anything to my, love life or anything. it's more of my personal relationship with my father. it really disappointed me how he would choose his wife or girlfriend at the time cuz he was a, with her for quite some time before they got married. But how he chose her over us. in terms of like when shit was going down. Like I argued with her, he never, I'm not saying obviously like maybe he shouldn't have taken sides or anything. But, I was very disappointed at how un neutral he was. to this situation. And also how he never took our side. I was very disappointed that he chose her and he was like telling us, oh you need to fix this. You know that. hurt a lot cuz it's you're supposed to be my dad. You're supposed to. Be this person that like, is yeah, you're, you two are in a relationship. Maybe you should play mediator. you guys need to work this out. Like together. Or or maybe try to talk us through. But you, you would just be like, Nope. Or sometimes like you'd be like, to put it like, really, like she would sometimes just randomly, like we were, I would be chatting and she likes a quiet car. on a long trip. Yeah. It was so weird. so we were listening to an Elvis tape. but not like a music tape. It was like an interview tape. Okay. And, I was like talking to my dad, asking my dad a couple questions like, cuz we were on our way to Salt Lake City. And she like, just you just need a shut up. Why? she like, what the fuck? and he was I was like, dad, what the hell? Like she, why is she yelling at me? she was in the car? We're in the car. So I was like, what the fuck? what the hell? And he was like, you just need to shut up. Just shut up what? I'm like, oh wow. Okay. So emotionally disappointed in my dad and very sad, hurt emotionally, I would say. Does that make all sense? Yes, it makes a lot of sense. Okay.

Eric:

I feel the pain with you

Gil:

Sorry. I'm all like, where do we dig in

Chris:

Let's unpack this.

Gil:

Yeah, I know, my God, the layers of life of just jotting down. I'm like, okay, as a cancer, how much do we, I'm like, the layers run deep at this situation. Who hasn't hurt me at this point? and I haven't heard this point. Let's No, you have from, let's see, because I don't know if I really, cause like they're all gonna be different levels of there. I don't have like in one moment where I can just like literally pinpoint that is the most pain I've ever felt in my life. Cause like I said, situationally just different shit. I don't have

Eric:

just one moment either.

Gil:

Yeah. So that's why it's kinda hard for me to say the poem, oh, here's one. I don't think I've shared much. a moment for me to sticks that where the most kind of the. The pain is more remembering my, when my parents were about to separate and I think it was my dad pretty much telling me, not telling me, threatening me about ensuring that I do not tell my mom, that that he's seeing someone else. And it was that threat of, to me that, if you tell you're gonna be in big trouble kind of thing. And kinda, it's like that to pin it. Cause he pulled me to the side, into the, and told me that. And I think that you could hear it at the voice. Sorry, that's something that was, it was a lot. Yeah. I was six

Eric:

That's a lot to put on a six-year old. Yeah.

Gil:

So that's something. there's a layer.

Eric:

I'm give you a virtual hug.

Gil:

Thank you. I don't talk about it much. Yeah, no, I get

Eric:

it. What would you Eric? Ok. I was like, I'm gonna kinda, I'm not gonna give like an exact moment either, and give. like more grouped situations, if that makes sense. So when I've been around death, that's been a lot of pain. Yeah. I have a friend who just died like a month ago, and I have a friend who died like a year ago, and Yeah. And then I've, my grandparents died when I was younger, and I've been around death a lot. So death is just never easy. No. Yeah. So that's been a big pain, like a lot of pain that I've been in that wasn't physical. I guess I'm gonna, I'm gonna give two more examples. being diagnosed with my first autoimmune disease and being diagnosed with my second autoimmune disease was also very painful. And part of that pain was also people's unwillingness to like, be there or be compassionate about it. More like the whole, you don't look sick or at least you're not gonna die or you're not go, you can still treat it. I'm like, okay, just because it's can be managed doesn't mean I can still thrive in my life now. So that was very hurtful emotionally. Those things. And then I guess when I first saw this question, the first thing that popped to my mind though was real. Not realizing when all that trauma that you've suppressed and shoved into latency, decides to pop back up and be like, don't forget about your un how unresolved we're, yeah. And like the shock and the realization and the recognition of what that trauma was and parties involved. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm gonna stop that. Yeah.

Gil:

Hair hug. Overall. Oh my goodness. Here, I could end this on a stupid question. Okay. what would it take for you to, oh my,

Chris:

I can't believe. Okay. You may have to repeat that. So

Gil:

what would it take for you to vote for? the orange man from Florida,

Eric:

me getting plowed like every second of every day by Nice. 14 iner. No, just kidding. I don't think I would like, I don't like, honestly, I would get banged by a 14 Iner, but as far as to vote for that thing, I don't think I would, I think I would pretty much just, I would probably end it before I had to do that. I would literally just like move I would literally just move to another country or I would not vote that, I would leave that blank on my ballot.

Chris:

Yes. no. That's a hard pass on

Eric:

me. Yeah. Like he could be the only one. No, I cannot. As a candidate, I would leave it blank or write in

Gil:

no.

Chris:

Yeah. Not gonna vote. No, never, ever gonna vote for that stupid idiot.

Gil:

I would say almost any Republican candidate. just to be fair, there was no one out there that would be like, I would consider,

Eric:

see, I've always, I've never been a straight party voter ever until recently. I used to always go through and be like, do I like this person? Do I like this person? Yeah. I miss those days.

Gil:

I know. It seems so long ago, doesn't it?

Eric:

Yeah. But like I said, when human rights is on the. Absolutely. I ha

Gil:

Yeah. And we thank the Republicans for turning everyone democratic

Chris:

They are making a lot of people Yeah. Switching their votes, but it took not enough to, essentially, there's

Gil:

still enough of them, which absolutely blows my mind. Blows my mind.

Chris:

Flexes me like third party is falling apart and I have no idea the direction. there's no direction. It's just like

Eric:

they voted DeSantis in by 20 points. They voted Greg Abbott in Yeah. They voted Matt Gates in T

Gil:

Yes. Lb.

Chris:

we just need to figure a way to get all the Democrats to un become unified. Unified and vote these people out.

Eric:

That's a good step. But I also think we need to do away with the two party system.

Gil:

Yeah. Fair. Electoral college needs to go also. Yes. Yeah. Reha the whole goddamn thing and rethink about even the senators. I just, like I said, two per state. Nope. Nope. Gotta go.

Eric:

I don't mind that the senators have two per state, but I do think the house deserves to house like the way it is, like the house needs more people. That doesn't necessarily bother me. I don't find, I'm fine if they expand the house. but they need to all have term limits.

Gil:

Yeah. Term,

Chris:

term limits across the board, term

Eric:

limits across the board. And they don't need to have, lifelong pensions and amazing bene like they should be. They could

Gil:

get it when they give it to the people. Exactly.

Chris:

Yeah. If I don't get a lifetime pension, you don't either. Girl,

Eric:

Yeah. Yeah. I don't, you get, you don't get amazing healthcare until I get amazing healthcare. let's have one more question cuz I don't wanna end on, I don't wanna end on a 45 question. I'm, and this is gonna be a super light and cheesy question. Okay. So it's not gonna be like, Ooh, Eric's gonna ask another question. Fuck. Let's get our tissues out. what are you guys gonna do for the holidays? Oh,

Gil:

Chris, kick us off actually.

Chris:

so on Fess day, we're all gonna err on our grievances. no obviously me and Gil, we're here in the Bay for Thanksgiving. So lunch will be with his mom and then, dinner will be with his dad. But for Christmas, I'll be in New Mexico. Yeah. I haven't been to New Mexico for Christmas. Three years.

Gil:

Oh, wow. A little. I thought a little bit longer than that. Yeah. Oh yeah. Shoot.

Eric:

Your family will be happy

Gil:

to see you. Oh my God. Oops.

Chris:

Yeah, Cause we, because we, I didn't go because we were in Spain that year before Covid. So

Eric:

that's a much better Thanksgiving than New Mexico

Gil:

Almost five years. It's been a minute for you. Five, six years. Yeah. Oops. So I was gonna say, I'll be here. I'll be here. I'm pretty much gonna do, I want to go kind of Christmas, like Christmas tree hopping and see other decorations, all like that. Because this year, especially in the, in San Francisco, it's been feeling a lot more, joyous. I guess it's the better term because obviously the last three years has been absolutely nothing's happened. the city's uttering to feel a little bit more normal. less tech people. So it actually feels more San Fcan again. the vibe is coming back. but it's also just a decoration. I like the decorations. I really live for the holidays for that. I know people I like Chris and I have talked to Na about to each other because it's like, It's says, oh my God,

Chris:

you like cress. And I'm like, it's not

Gil:

the religious aspect. I love the pure decorations. I'm a gay man. I love the lights and the pageant. The pageant, the thing that's involved with it. The whole planning of the, and what, that's exactly it. That's why I, I enjoy it. so I'm curious kind of what are the hotels putting, cause normally the hotels put up these big trees within there. They do the whole decorations and it's really epic, in the city. So I really, that's what I'm gonna be doing. You're San

Chris:

Francisco does Christmas well, I'm

Gil:

sure you really do. Yeah. So I'm gonna go do it this year. I might even do ice skating. I'm, I haven't done it in 10 plus years, but I'm tempted this year of if the weather's nice permitted, obviously then I'm gonna go do ice skating at Union Square. I haven't done that. Like I said, it's so long and I freaking worked right there before one point, and I was like, I'll go. And same thing that I've been bitching about myself, he keeps saying tomorrow when it's not happening, so make it happen. Damn it. so yeah, that's kind my holiday plans right now. How, but you,

Eric:

I have no holiday

Chris:

my knitting circle. My crocheting circle. Are you gonna fill

Gil:

sand in the

Eric:

I don't know how to do crocheting or knitting and, no, I, we're not doing Lumina. I'm not doing Lumina this year, Okay. Yeah, I don't really have any plans. I have to work. Yay. Yeah, I mean I think I'm just gonna continue self work and self-reflection and just try to be a better version of myself over the holidays and Okay. Conquer some of those stupid fears that Chris so nicely asked me about earlier in this podcast. and hopefully I'll go out for New Year's. I would love to have a New Year's kiss this year, but we'll see what happens And, yeah, I think, and I'll spend time with my dogs. That's about it.

Gil:

Okay. Are you gonna do anything special for them? Like any special cuts for the holiday? For them? For

Eric:

Leo? Here, come here. Leo is like tons of rose of it's hair's, little, cuz he's growing out for possibly a grooming cont competition. Oh. Dunno if I'm gonna do it yet or not. But he has the coat for it now, no, they're not gonna get any special cuts. I know no one could see him You guys could, but like the audience can't see him, but he's got a lot of hair. yes. No, I don't think I'm gonna do. they'll just, I'm off for a week or week and a half, okay. They'll get to see me forever for that week and a half I get to sleep in. So that's always a plus. I love slipping

Gil:

in.

Eric:

and hopefully my business will start booming after the holidays. yes. But other than that, no, I think that's it. I'm just gonna be a home body. I've somehow turned into that person that I never thought I would be. It's a forced home body situation.

Chris:

sometimes you just need to be a home body to decompress. Yeah. But sometimes,

Gil:

not always, but

Eric:

sometimes. But we hope everyone has a safe and happy and wonderful holiday season, whichever holidays you celebrate. And we will be around again in a few months. I guess we're gonna be on break for a little bit.

Gil:

So Yes. Our winter break,

Eric:

yes, we do this like television series or television seasons. We don't do a year round podcast. yeah. thank you guys so much for listening to us this year and sticking with us through the hiatus that we took and. Yeah, we're glad to be back around. Have a

Gil:

happy 23. Everyone have a happy

Chris:

Chris Ous or whatever.

Eric:

so happy New Year everybody, and thank you for listening to us. Bye

Gil:

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Eric:

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