June 16, 2021

Season 2, Episode 17

Season 2, Episode 17

Gil and Eric discuss Love, Victor Season 2.  There are spoilers

Transcript
Eric:

Hello and welcome to the Q lounge. We wanted to take a minute to reflect on the massacre that happened five years ago in Orlando, Florida, The Pulse massacre. This is the fifth anniversary of that horrendous day. So you just wanted to have a few moments of silence for the 49 that were killed. And the over 50 that were injured. Hello, and welcome to The Q Lounge Podcast. I'm Eric and I'm Gil. Join us as we discuss news stories and life situations. As they relate to the LGBTQIA plus experience, please visit us at theQloungepodcast.com and hit that subscribe button or listen wherever you get your podcasts while you're there. Please leave us a five star review and don't forget to tell your friends. Hello. Hi, and welcome to The Q Lounge I'm Eric and I'm Gil. And today we are going to take a little detour from our typical podcast, Yeah, just a couple of quick little things though. Please check us out anywhere you get your podcasts or check us out at TheQLoungePodcast.com. If you're not already there, please tell your friends about us. Leave us a five-star review. Leave us a written review. Hit that donation button, if you feel so cha-ching. And just a couple quick little things I wanted to talk about Ariana Grande has announced that she is partnering up with Transanta into an organization that was co-founded by Indya Moore. who is one of the stars of the show Pose. And it is aimed at anonymously fulfilling wishlist for trans youth in need. So Ariana Grande's that's awesome. So Ariana Grande's is always like this huge ally and she just keeps on showing her allyship. So thank you, Ariana, for all of that. Plus she has turned herself into quite the little Gay Icon. Yeah. So with that Love, Victor season two premiered today. Yes, it did yesterday. Today, depending on what time zone you're in. Yeah. And everyone knows that I've been a huge fan of love. Victor Gil's been a huge fan of love. Victor. I've seen it. I've saw the first season way too many times. And we wanted to talk a little bit about season two. Maybe a lot bit. So if you have not seen season two, you might not want to listen to this one right away, just because we're, there's gonna definitely be some spoilers in there. Yes. But if you're like me and you don't care about spoilers and you like hearing all the spoilers and then you still want to watch it for yourself, then still join us. And yeah, we hope you have some fun with this because we're going to do a lot of comparative stuff too, So Gil, what did you think of love Victor season two?

Gil:

I enjoyed it. I don't know where I sit in the majority or minority without one, but I did enjoy it. It was a clusterfuck for romances and breakups and everything of that nature, but what do we expect with high schoolers? We've all been there. Hell my early twenties is all part of that mess situation that you could personally have seen. But I personally overall enjoyed it and it was definitely its own path. It compares to the season 1, where to me, it was very love Simon continuation and you could see the same formula okay. To a degree. Yeah. how about you, how did you like it?

Eric:

So I really liked it. I thought it was a really good season, but I know I'm in the minority in this cause everyone says like the season is by far better. And I think I actually like to season one better. Okay. And I think maybe it was because of that whole internal struggle and just the way it played out, which it was very light. It was very much like love Simon, but. I think the fact that oh, this is a Latin kid and we are, we're both last names are Salazar. Yeah. It just really hit it. Just like really hit a chord with me. You can definitely tell the first season was originally filmed for Disney. Also in film quality, I thought the film quality for season two was not quite as good as the quality for season one, but it wasn't as. Yeah. Yeah. But that's just

Gil:

COVID. Could it be, COVID times to COVID times

Eric:

still a little off season two was really good. Like the things that I liked about season two, I really loved about season two. Okay.

Gil:

What are some,

Eric:

I'll get to that in a second. Okay. But the things that I really didn't like about season two, like I absolutely just hated. So I think that's what brought it down for me. Because there were just a few aspects that I absolutely was not okay with. I know I'm taking a little too personally considering it's just a show, but yeah, there was just a few things that I wasn't happy with. So as far as the things that I liked, I love the continuation of the cliffhanger from season one, obviously where Victor comes out to his parents and tells his parents that he's gay. I liked that they picked up right then and there, correct Pilar. His sister's reaction was amazing. Like with those first 10 to 15 seconds, I was like, she's the star? She's amazing. I love her for that because the way she just hugged him and said, I love you. And that was, yeah, it was very moving. It was very moving. It was everything that, that scene needed. I know, this, I don't know if I've talked about this on the podcast, but I know, you know this because we've talked outside of it. I wasn't too thrilled that they were going to do a time jump and start in his junior year, but I thought they actually handled the time jumped pretty well. So I got over that pretty quickly. Yeah.

Gil:

I was going to say that's probably like the least of the issues going forward. Yeah,

Eric:

definitely. Yeah. So I loved the character development for the characters and I didn't mind the introduction of new characters at first, when I was reading all the pre stuff before premiere and I was like, oh my God, they're going to have all these new characters, like we're going to lose our focus, but no, I thought they handled that really well too, for the most part. And I loved the themes as far as like how to deal with religion and how to deal. Then being gay and being gay in athletics and not being gay enough for the extreme queer crowd. Yeah. I thought that was a nice little take. I really did. I loved the character development now, what I did, not what I did not like, and we'll get into, we'll get a lot more into this. I didn't like the dynamics between certain characters and that just played out in their storylines and then how everything ended.

Gil:

So if you want to add no, I'm totally with you on that. Do we want to dig into the big one of it?

Eric:

We'll dig into the work, dig into that a little bit later. Let's Let's talk about like how we think they handled the religion part of it, because that was, I want to say that was probably the biggest theme throughout the entire season. Other than like him coming in, like he came into his own and he found his footing and he found his voice and he was able to utilize his voice. And so that was probably the overall biggest theme, but the relationship between him and his mom, I thought was amazing. Ana Ortiz did a phenomenal job. Yes. Michael Cimino was a great actor and he did a great job and I loved seeing their dynamic and how they were like push and pull. Yes. And yeah. So let's dive into that one,

Gil:

especially with her character where she, especially when she really got her moment to explain her point, because obviously at first you always hearing. How come, she's not accepting him. What's going on with this? This is just ridiculous. But once you explain, especially us who are within the minority or minorities with, with the religious, especially Catholicism, it's, you're brought up. And as you tell us about it too, she was brought up a certain way and that's the way it was. That's you know what you keep hearing and it's implied, oh my God being gay is negative. It's bad. It's been, and she see how the vision, just like every parent for the child, it throw a wrench into it. But yeah, ultimately she came around, it was like, no, this is my child. I have, as she told the priest, she did not lose faith and she didn't lose her thing for God. She just doesn't believe in him as in, through to the priest and to the building. Yeah. That's two. And I think people don't separate the two.

Eric:

Cause I'll admit like watching it, like half the trailer was like in the first episode,

Gil:

which I'm glad they didn't re yeah. The whole thing.

Eric:

And then some of the things that like hit me powerfully in the trailer were not as powerful in the actual show, but that's okay. Yeah so the first episode where she threw the dinner away. Yeah, I was pretty heated. I'll admit, I was like, Ooh, like that was a bitch move to do.

Gil:

It had a very, for me up, I don't know if anyone's seen prayers for Bobby, but it was that very similar. The mom in that movie She threw away the plate that the guy touched. It just threw the whole thing away. And that's the same moment that I had with this. I was like, holy shit. That's like old school. Yeah, very much so

Eric:

very old school with that. And then the whole like chip thing and acid reflux and oh, go get pizza. Like she wanted to be cool with it, but she couldn't be cool with it. Yeah. I do love how she came around. You could see as she started to come around when they introduce Rahim, which we'll talk about in a little bit, and he was talking about how he was gay. I guess we can talk about him now. I loved that they introduced an Iranian character and a Muslim character, and I liked the fact that they took. The unexpected route and made his parents accepting. Correct. So I thought that was really great. Cause it would have been expected to make it like so hard for him.

Gil:

Correct. And they did the

Eric:

opposite. Yeah. But the way she talked to him about when he was terrified of how they would accept him and not be as accepting as she was, even though he didn't know how unaccepting she was and the way she talked to him about how they still love you. And they're just dealing with their own thing and it's because they may have thought they, like you were saying earlier, they ha they have a plan for you. Yeah. And they think they know everything about you and they don't know this one thing. So they're just trying to get used to it. So yeah. I really liked that whole part. The part where they tell the little brother. Yeah. Because I was actually pretty offended that they would not tell the little brother. I get it. I get it. Yeah, no, I didn't shock me. No, it didn't shock me either. I totally get it, but it was still like, wow. That's very offensive that they're not going to tell the brother, like they're going to hold it against, but you know what? I actually lived that too, because like, when I came out and stuff like that, it was oh, okay let's go get lunch. Like I always say it wasn't a big deal, but it was also like, oh, let's just not tell these people or let's not broadcast it. Correct. I didn't have a whole little brother situation, but And then how free he was with it. Just okay. Has her two moms and yeah. SpongeBob square pants. Yeah. And then he's I'm glad you found your French toast, which I thought was adorable.

Gil:

That was the, yeah, no, that was adorable. But I be, it's definitely a nod to how the modern generation, the younger ones treat it. It's Nonchalant Yeah. It's what's the, I'm confused. What the issue is.

Eric:

Yeah, no, I, yeah. I thought that was a whole, that theme was very powerful. The way they played through that, her going to church and lighting her candles in her confiding in her priest and then her priest giving her some shitty ass advice saying that, oh no, your son's going to go to hell because he's not loved by God anymore because he's sinning. Yeah.

Gil:

Yeah. Yeah. I was glad that she went back in. Oh yeah. After

Eric:

he told them. Yeah. And he told her youngest. Yeah. Oh, your brother is going to go to hell. Yeah. When she went back in there, when she was like, I forgot something. I was like, oh, that, that Latina mom was coming out. Like she was going to go whoop some ass. I was like, all she's going to take off them earrings. Like I was ready for it. She did metaphorically. Like she obviously did not.

Gil:

I thought she was going to go more aggressively because that's the way I know historically it should have happened. My mom, especially at the mom mode kicks in it's for blackout. I already know that piss off, especially a child. Yeah in front of a mom. Oh shit.

Eric:

So I handled that pretty good overall. Like I liked the whole, that whole aspect of it. I liked the juxtaposition of the father being more concerned. Am I actually being a good enough father for my child

Gil:

and still trying to, it was stressful.

Eric:

Yes. I

Gil:

loved that because it's, I'm sure the show is trying to flip some of the atypical scripts of normally would have been the mother who is more accepting than machismo father, I

Eric:

was reading some things on that. Cause I thought that the whole time I was like, oh, the mom's going to be super accepting because of the way season one played out how she defended him when he went off on his grandfather and how the father was problematic with the, oh, he seems like he's gay and oh, I don't care what they do. As long as your little brother doesn't end up that way. Like he had all those problematic things in season one, And so I thought that was going to happen. This one too, you had a called out though. You're going to have the issues. And I guess they went and talked to people that are involved in P flag and a lot of parents. And they're like, it's often thought that the father is the least accepting, but it turns out to be the parent who's the most religious is the least accepting. Yeah. And she was by far the more religious one. Yeah. I'm glad he had his sister. Yeah. The sister

Gil:

Helped. Yeah. PLR. Yeah. But I think they did overall, like I said, it was a very good tastefully done with the religion and I thought it was blending of both sides to

Eric:

it. Yeah. I like how they explained both sides. I don't agree with one side obviously, but I understand it cause I've, I grew up we've

Gil:

lived it. Yeah. You and I are both from that world that I'm like, oh yeah, absolutely. But for instance, it's like with Benji's family or something, like some people come from that culture where they don't have that, maybe that huge religious background or pressure. So they won't understand liberal parents. Yeah. They won't quite understand to that degree. Yeah. Of what the concern

Eric:

is, which I liked the way they dealt with that too. And then I liked the fact that they tackled teen athletes. Gay athletes. Yeah. I thought that they probably could have done a little more with it, but I still appreciated the way they did it.

Gil:

It was, yeah.

Eric:

I don't know. I'm back and forth on it. Honestly. We didn't

Gil:

want to have crushed at home already. He's already dealing with his mom and then at school it's getting almost harassed. Yeah. And I think maybe that's what they didn't want to make the focus on that per se. So they shifted,

Eric:

it gave Andrew his phew. I've been a fan of Andrew since season one. I think it's cause it's Mason, Gooding, Cuba, Gooding son, Cuba Gooding Junior's son. Sorry. Yeah. And he's in my favorite movie of all time, boys in the hood. So I was just like already a fan. And so I was a fan of his in season one. I really liked his arc in this season, but it was just a continuation from his arc in the first season. Correct. But it gave him his few problematic moments. And so yeah, they were assholey moments, but they made it seem a little bit more realistic too. Like he was concerned about not, oh, that they're treating you like an asshole because you're gay. No, we need you on the team so we can win correct. I did like that line though, when they were playing one-on-one basketball and he basically told him you are more concerned about when basically you're more concerned about winning than actually sticking up for the gay kid. Like you're not really an ally. Yeah. Yeah. And that's true. Cause you got a lot of people they're like, oh yeah, we're allies, we're totally down with the queers and the community. And then they're not going to say anything. It's like what we see all the time when it comes to like racial injustice too. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, we're going to support this, but now we're not really,

Gil:

but what action or you see it actually happening? Yeah. That's definitely a lotta twittling thumbs

Eric:

and oh, I'm just going to look the other way. I'm going to walk that way. Yeah. So What did you think about the character development?

Gil:

For just

Eric:

in

Gil:

general. Okay. Any in general, I thought it was. It was good. Like I said, the continuation for Benji's character for Felix, his character and everyone else. I think it was mostly good. I think it was somethings, I felt almost maybe where they rushed a little bit.

Eric:

Okay. Whose character growth or development did you like the most and whose did you like the least? And it doesn't have to be one-on-one. It can be like, I like to these 10 people and I didn't like these 17 people, which I know there wasn't that many in the cast, but

Gil:

yeah I, for, I like Felix's growth because with him it's always been, like I said, it was like the wing man, the funny guy he's always there, but then you got to see really his, there is a dark side to him, or I want to say dark. It was more like a.

Eric:

That's a dark secret that dark slippery.

Gil:

Yeah. And it's very private. It's so held to him like, it's just, I don't know how to explain it, but just to really see that other side of him, there is a hurt side to him. Yes. Shielded side, and then you really going, like you're peeking behind that wall of his, and you're like, oh my God, it's not all rainbows and butterflies. There's a scared child behind here. Absolutely. And I think that was really nice to see his decisions later on who he chooses to be with is questionable. Absolutely. That pissed me off, but we'll get to that one for sure. But but his overall development as a who he is, he starts off with just like this, oh boy, next door. Ha. He makes a couple of funny jokes that he's out of the picture. There is a lot of depth to him and why I really enjoy him more,

Eric:

which we will also get into like really deep in later. Yeah, go ahead.

Gil:

Yeah. No, that's for me, like I really enjoyed him. Like with Mia it was. I'm glad to see a little bit more of her. It was like I said, that vulnerabilities of her. Definitely I think getting over Victor was quick, but just as she mentioned, it was very, how can she stay mad at him for being who he is? Yeah. I at least mad at the situation and the way it's handled, but. He was being who he is. Yeah.

Eric:

Yeah. You and I talked about this precast and then stuff like that. I honestly thought she, they should have had her be mad at him for at least the first six or seven episodes. And I do think they had the reconciliation like way too soon and I still stand by that, but I fully agree with you. Like the, I don't mean to be pointing at you. I fully agree with you the way she handled it though with the, I can't be mad at you. I feel like I can't be mad at you because you're just being yourself and I want you to be happy. And that was a beautiful

Gil:

moment. It really was. It couldn't help later. I, which I agree with you

Eric:

on. Yeah. Yeah. Rachel Hilson is such a great actress. I don't think she gets enough credit for her role as Mia, but Mia's like my favorite character Yeah. I thought that was a beautiful moment where she's just basically I wish I could have been there for you to cheer you on and be happy for you. But it made me what the most important thing you'll ever do in your life and being your authentic self makes me feel like shit as a person, because I was the one who was hurt in the whole situation.

Gil:

Yeah. And she got really be mad. Like I said, if you straight different story. Yeah. Write that emotion out.

Eric:

And like you said, she's mad at the situation, but at the end of the day, it's that wasn't going to work. Yeah,

Gil:

It's very, almost will. And grace,

Eric:

it was very will and grace.

Gil:

It that's what it, yeah, that's what term. But I eat, like I said her story, her her son needed to become close to oh God, her dad's new wife. What? Okay. Veronica.

Eric:

Yeah. I played by Sophia

Gil:

Bush. I enjoy like that character, but I need to, yeah, I do too. But like definitely I enjoyed that. She's able to get over that hump.

Eric:

I own my only complaint with that. I have two little minor complaints, but one of them's not really there. Neither of them are actually against Sophia Bush at all. I just wish we would've gotten more of her. I agree. And I don't like that. She's always the one who has to tell Harold played by Mekhi Phifer who's Mia's father, to tell her the big fucking news, which we'll get into in a minute. Yeah. No be honest with your child.

Gil:

Cause I enjoy her character. Like I really do. I love her voice. I'm probably in the minority here. Like when she talks, I'm like, oh my God.

Eric:

Yeah. I

love

Gil:

that raspy voice. Yeah. It's I joy

Eric:

anyone from anyone who's watched one tree hill. You guys know who we're talking about.

Gil:

I enjoy that. I like the nod when when the father went to P flag and Simon's father. Yeah. Josh Duhamel. Yes. It was nice. That was a nice little, like I said, you're bridging the two series together, but they've definitely faded out, which I also delight.

Eric:

I did like that, that they're pulling away from love Simon. I know a lot of people around, we want Simon and Bram to be like in 25 episodes and dadadada and let them talk like every day and maybe they can have a threesome and you're like,

Gil:

oh no, Nope.

Eric:

Let this be Victor story. Correct. So I was glad that

Gil:

they did Hey, me too. I'm actually glad, I'm glad it's still nodded to it, like in the two episodes, right at the beginning and right at the finale. Yeah. And that was pretty much all she wrote.

Eric:

Although Simon and Bram done moved on up since season one.

Gil:

I know that house was so cute. I liked it with a little facial hair. I know my husband does not like it with facial hair. I enjoyed it.

Eric:

I did not care for Simon with facial hair.

Gil:

I don't bite. I'm like, okay. But if that's what he could grow. I could barely grow facial. That's what I'm like, jealous anyone with. I have my little stub and it's like a week worth. Yeah. So those IB, I definitely liked the character development there. Pilar's Pilar, I mean what can I say?

Eric:

I don't think they utilize her enough. Let me take that back. I feel like she became even more of a supporting cast member and less of a main cast member or I feel like they didn't. Yeah, I don't feel like they did. They didn't utilize her presence enough. I know she

Gil:

throw her in a season three.

Eric:

Yeah, I don't, I know she had her little storyline, which I don't agree with, but overall I don't feel like they used her enough. Like she could have been more of that buffer for Victor. I don't like how they just left her there to deal with her pissed off mom. And they went to the bonfire.

Gil:

Yeah, we got to see a little bit more Benji's background.

Eric:

Yeah. Which I liked, I wasn't expecting his big secret, which we'll talk about in a minute.

Gil:

Yeah. So we got to see that.

Eric:

I liked it. I liked seeing his dynamic with his parents.

Gil:

Yeah. I still don't care for Benji. I'm sorry.

Eric:

I am not a big Benji fan either.

Gil:

Like I totally to pretend like I really care about him and it really, I really do not. I'm like, I'm not a big

Eric:

Benji fan either. I don't think he won't get it. We're in the minority for that. Now I will say this. I get it. I understand why everyone's oh, he's so hot. Like he's so he's we've

Gil:

seen this before. It's the artists, the emotionally reserved, we've seen it from what the fucking Twilight series American

Eric:

British yeah, like you said quiet, silent, or silent

Gil:

rooting in the background on emotionally reserved. Oh my God. We've seen this before. It is the early two thousands hopeless

Eric:

romantic. Yeah. I get it though. He's not a bad looking guy. Like he is a very handsome guy. He has a very nice body. Like I get it. He just does nothing for me. So I happened to be like his grandfather, but

Gil:

here we go, you turn 32. And you're like, oh my God, I'm his father say,

Eric:

though, all the actors with the exception of the youngest brother are all legal so we can talk a little bit, a little.

Gil:

Yeah. It's the American way yet to be 30 to play a teenager. And then you have your 40 year old parents.

Eric:

So I think he's 25, 23 he's 23. George Sears. Yeah. He's somewhere around that age. Yeah, we got a little bit more on his development. I didn't mean to cut you off oh no,

Gil:

No. Yeah. We definitely have to at least see his development his little background. That was really, that was nice. Let's see. Who else? Obviously you're seeing, we introduced new characters,

Eric:

Lucy Rahim. Yeah. Which we talked about a little bit,

Gil:

That cover it in a bow lakes. So like I just felt like it was kinda really,

Eric:

I thought lake had an amazing development. Like I thought her arc as a character was possibly my favorite in the whole season because we leave off with lake and season one, who's starting to be like, oh, I don't have to be so concerned with. Public perception. And I can be a little bit open to Felix and then she's still in that little bit of a window until like she under, she finds out his struggle and then she's boom, I'm fully on board with you. Yeah. Yes. They had their own issue that we'll talk about in a second, but I thought her character development was great and I am so pissed off with the way they treated her, like the way the writers treated her character. That really did a great job. Yeah. BB woods, an awesome actress. So I really liked her character development. I loved Mia's character development. I don't know that it was, I don't know that we got a lot of development from the Mia character as compared to last season. I feel like it was still like on the same line flat. Yeah. But

Gil:

I see moments. Yeah, like you said, moments of Mia, but maybe in the next season, but I do

Eric:

love the Mia, the character, and I think Rachel Hilson is an amazing actress. So Mia's my, probably my favorite character on the show I love Victor too though. I think Michael Cimino his character development was good too, but it was like a nice it was Steady trajectory that you're going to assume it's going to happen. Yeah. I did Felix, I liked getting Felix as backstory. I do agree with I found it odd how secretive he is or was like, oh, like for Victor being his best friend, like he's oh yeah, dating lake is expensive. And Andrew's arc is a continuation from season one. I liked it though. I'm a fan of Andrew Rahim and Lucy, I'm not going to really talk about as far as character development, because we just got to know them this season to a degree, but

Gil:

they did

Eric:

a good introduction. They did a very good introduction. And I did the parents, I don't think they really did theirs there with the exception of like how they handled his coming out. They were just there. Their characters didn't go up or down. Yeah. Too much. So yeah, let's talk about Betsy Brandt. Who Played? Dawn Felix's mom. She's an awesome actress. Oh

Gil:

my God. Slit stole the F when she was on, it was like, she's stolen. She stole the scene.

Eric:

So if any, if you guys haven't seen it and even if you have, but she plays Felix's mother and she suffers from bipolar disorder and she does an amazing job. Yeah.

Gil:

Especially when she goes from that night, like what's the D manic Chi that she starting to hit that low. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's just, it was chilling when she was doing it was especially that when Blake Woodlake came over for dinner yeah.

Eric:

You know what scene hit me really hard though, was the very first episode where he goes in and she's just like sitting there, curled up on the couch. Like I didn't eat, I'm not hungry. Cause I'm like, I've been there so many times. Okay. So slowly. Yeah. I'm not bipolar. I just have depression. So I don't have the moments of mania, but have like I've been there and that that deep depression. So that really I was like, oh my God. Like that just like smacking me across the face with a cast iron skillet. Like I was just like, whoa. But yeah, that scene where lake came over for dinner was pretty intense. It was,

Gil:

it was especially, like I said your 16 year old, you're bringing in your first time partner. Yes. And then your mother, especially somebody you've been trying to cover up, and this is the secret you've been hiding this whole time. And you don't want people to see you a certain way. You're already getting teased at school for other things. Cause you're already odd. And then you have this on top of that extra layer of why, and then she, when she's flipped, what she's going through her or mood it's I dunno what the, when she swings her, she's swinging her moods. And then also everyone's oh shit, what the fuck do I do with this? Yeah. Yeah. I get it.

Eric:

So what did you think with the whole like fallout with Laken, Felix then?

Gil:

Because people and they're hormonal people, it's not shocking. I. Would have preferred them to stay together. But I think with Felix it's that trust is such a big thing for him that I don't think he's quite recovered out of it. Him going to Pilar

Eric:

you just let the cat out of the bag, but yeah, go ahead. Yeah.

Gil:

Come on. That is a, I

Eric:

don't know what the, to me almost, so I want to get your opinion though. Like whose side were you on with the Lake Felix thing? And you don't have, you can be on both of their sides, but I just want to know why.

Gil:

I have,

Eric:

cause like I totally get his point of view. Like you broke my trust by telling your mom and now my mom is being committed.

Gil:

Yeah,

Eric:

I get it. But I do get her point of view too, where, oh my God, the person I love is in so much pain and is dealing with all this shit and has been for years with no help. How do I help him and how do I take his pain away?

Gil:

So

Eric:

I, I get that point of view too.

Gil:

Yeah. I didn't see her thing as necessarily selfish, motivated, but I think there's naiveness on it without thinking of the consequences of reporting such a thing. That's true. She didn't under, I guess she might've grossly underestimated what her actions could have. Cause it looks like Felix already knew once you say something. Yeah. He knows where this is going to go. Yeah.

Eric:

Yeah, I, I see, I get both sides though, but I didn't like that. They broke them up. I knew once the whole angler fish thing happened. I knew he was going to be like, I don't want to be that fish that gets absorbed into your body. And as long as you're happy, I'm okay. Like I knew he was going to have that growth to be like, no, I'm not okay. Now. Like I want to be happy too. Yes. I agree with you the whole Pilar and Felix thing and the Pilix thing or the feeler thing, whatever you want to call their ship. It's not like

Gil:

just a last ditch effort. I don't understand. There was no chemistry.

Eric:

I, I don't like it, everyone. Like I know a lot of people were rooting for them after the coffee scene in the first season. Yeah. But to me, they were just like brother, sister kind of relationship. They were just friends. Yeah. I didn't like that at all. I'm like, actually that was one of the pieces of the series that really did not sit well with me to the point that I that's why I don't like this season as much as I liked the first season, because I don't like The way they did that with Felix and Pilar. And then also the thing is I know, like when she kisses him, he's technically broken up with lake, but the way they have her, like throwing herself or trying to awkwardly flirt with him while he's still with lake is not the Pilar from the first season where she is very anti cheating. Correct. So not that they didn't cheat, but no. Never been like trying to woo him knowing he has a girlfriend.

Gil:

He just got out of one,

Eric:

potentially. I know that. But even like when she's starting with lending him the money, correct. And then she starts oh did you want to join us for this? Oh, you're going to go see lake your girlfriend. Oh, okay. Cool. She was being that like awkward flirt. Yeah. While he still did have a girlfriend, do

Gil:

you think it was influenced from Rahim? I don't when he was pointing out, Hey, you're like looking at her very awkwardly

Eric:

oh I think he pointed it out to her that night.

Gil:

Correct. But do you think that kind of pushed her more? Where am I really doing that? Maybe I am. Maybe I do have a thing for him. No, I think, some people get more influenced. No,

Eric:

they do, but I think she just had her thing for him. Cause she's yeah. I think she just had her thing for him. Which that whole situation doesn't sit well with me. I don't like that

Gil:

pulling out all I am with you without it, because the same thing, as soon as that happened, I was like, what the fuck? W where are we

Eric:

going with this? Like when she kissed him, I was already ah, but then. When he decided when at the end, when he decided that's who he wanted to be with, I was like, fuck. Yeah. I don't like the way they left lake. Just okay.

Gil:

Slightly with the implying at the end,

Eric:

implying that she's bisexual or she's actually a lesbian. Yeah. Which was also interesting. Yeah, the only hint I think we ever got of that was in season one where she tells Mia if Victor won't make out with our hook up with you. I totally will.

Gil:

Can you say, oh, stop saying that you say that a lot or something in that ballpark, but you're going to go off with the one sentence in the one episode, that's 10, second clips. So it make it an arc for it or a new development.

Eric:

So I don't, yeah I wasn't too keen on the way they handled that. And so since we're talking about that whole last scene with her and the, her being a lesbian or questioning, yeah. So they had her Andrew, they had date Lucy who was Benji's friend? Yes. And they brought her in and then she has her like little moment with Mia and then decides, oh, I need a break off with Andrew. Yup. And then we don't see her for five episodes. I think it was like three or four. Yep. And then all of a sudden she's like wanting to date Lake.

Gil:

Yeah. It is because

Eric:

that Tim that felt even more rushed than the Pilix thing. Yeah. Cause it was just like, oh wow. We have lake just like hanging out here. Let's go ahead. And put her in a relationship with a girl. Yeah. Or allude to the fact that might happen.

Gil:

Yeah. No I'm with you on that because that's really the Felix situation. I think it was same agitation when I was reading Harry Potter for me was like Harry ended up with her with his best friends sister. Okay. At the very end. Yeah. It was like, why the fuck did this come from? Like you do you like, just like random sentences per book where oh, he might like her. Yeah. But it was just like out of the, for me, it still felt like it was rushed. I was like, here, we need to put him with somebody. And here you go. And it's the way I feel like with the final episode with that, why can't he just been like, I can't choose anybody. I don't want to be with anyone. Let me find myself. I would have fun

Eric:

with that. I would have been totally fine with that. And I also don't know how those Swedish fish got in his pockets because when would she have had time to put them in his jacket pocket,

Gil:

you would have felt it. And I wear blazer everyday for work. Yeah. You don't know when, so

Eric:

that scene did it. That part just was really awkward and clunky to me. Yeah. So I didn't really, I just, I'm not happy. I'm not everything I'm unhappy about what the show all revolves around. Felix's storyline love storyline, his love triangle. Yeah. I didn't like

Gil:

it at all. There was hints about it. You're reading like. Previews or something of the fan pages. So that was going to potentially happen this upcoming season

Eric:

people, but that was all wishful thinking. But I guess they, they had some sort of in that's another thing I didn't like about this season, I thought there was way too many love triangles. Yeah. So you have

Gil:

circles and

Eric:

squares? Yeah. Between, yeah. You have what? Four yeah. Five. So you have Andrew Mia, Lucy, then you have Victor Benji Rahim you have Pilar, Felix and lake, and then you have lake Lucy, Andrew, and then you also have Armando, Isabel and

Gil:

Shelby. Shelby, I think. Yeah. That's her

Eric:

name? So that was just way too many love triangles. Yeah, it became a little too soap opera. for me, that was a couple of my gripes for season two. Yeah, I

Gil:

I'm assuming that's how a normal high school I be for me. I was, yeah, I wasn't dating, I didn't date anyone in high school, so I'm not part of any, I was an island high school. There was no triangles or anything to be part of. I have my crushes, but I

Eric:

went to prom with two girls, like two girls at once. I went to junior prom with a girl in senior prom with a girl.

Gil:

Yeah. Yeah. I was never a part of anything like this. So that's why it's hard for me to really from a high school perspective. Yeah. Of any kind of circles and triangles and everything else. I'm like, I we're just hoping to get one thing in.

Eric:

Yeah. So I didn't like that part of it.

Gil:

Yeah. I agree. Cause at first I was like oh, here we go. Okay. Oh no. Now we're going to this one. And it does erase season one ish stuff. It

Eric:

does erase a lot of season one stuff. So that's why I don't want to go into it right now. I want to save it more towards the end, but if they choose one way to start potentially season three. Yeah. It basic because of what happened with lake and Felix, it basically like negates and erases, all of season one. Yeah. And part of season two, like really you were just an asshole and broke Mia's heart. I do love that. I do the fact that Mia wants to go see her mom. That was, I actually was not expecting that at all this season. Yeah. And her father's an asshole. I like Mekhi Phifer, as an actor. But her father is an asshole.

Gil:

I think she's realizing that her father is scent is very self-centered. Yes. He's very greedy. He,

Eric:

I almost feel like we're gonna find out that, like he had a lot more to do with the mama leaving yeah. Than just her saying, oh, I don't want to be a mom anymore and leaving. Correct. I feel like me is going to find out that her father is really a lot worse and problematic than she thought he was correct. And she's already discovering that he is. Yes. She kind

Gil:

of said it's even season one, that he was very, about his career. Yeah. And I don't think she realizes what the consequences for that means. Yeah. Because we, I know people like that and within my within my sphere and they're very, when they say they're the company, man, they're literally the company, man. Yeah. And they know, there's no cost at it and they will do whatever it takes to move up the ladder. And that is what her father does. Turning out a job at Stanford to be the Dean, that would be a stupid move. Not to do, especially a person of color. Yes. I get it as an adult. Or I'm like, no, absolutely take the damn job. But from her Perspective Yeah. Yeah. That's but that's her father is looking for to move up.

Eric:

Yeah. But he's not putting his daughter's needs no up there.

Gil:

Not her personal needs. Yeah. Financial needs. Yes. Because that's, what's going to put food on the table. He's not worried about, oh, is she had love, let's keep her in love here. It's high.

Eric:

But also he's not worried about like her development, like Andrew pointed out to him. Yeah. She never recovered from her mom leaving. Correct. And now you're going to uproot her, like when she's one and a half years away from graduating, like everything she knows and put her in this completely new environment with your new wife and your new baby. And basically you're telling her that what she needs and what she needs from life and wants in life is not important to her or is not important to you about her. She will never recover from that.

Gil:

Yeah. Was that a lot of psychiatric LPs?

Eric:

Yeah. But even then, like you learn how to manage it. Yeah.

Gil:

That's how we survive. Otherwise you die. I think that's, that's the truth. At some point you have to, you will, you never get over anything. Cause it's like you crumple up a piece of paper doesn't ever recover. It's still a piece of paper. Yeah. And that's the same thing with that. I agree that he should not have taken a job, but I see why. And but she knew this also, and that's the sucky part. I think she was taken to her mom partially to figure out why, but also figure out a way to

Eric:

stay. Yeah, I think so too. And I was actually happy with that. She did that now. I will say like when they were first in the car, I was like, oh my God, are they going to try to elope or something? Cause he's are you sure you want to do this? And then she's and then she mentioned seeing her mom and I was like, okay,

Gil:

but the I, for me, I don't know if this is just me. I got nervous when the father went to the room. And the last episode opened the door. I was praying. I was like, please tell me, we're not going to find her body with a bunch of

Eric:

pills. Oh. I thought she was going to be hanging. Literally. I was like, oh my God, please don't tell me she's hanging. I got those gloves. There was a note. Yes. But yeah. Cause I was like, oh my gosh, she's going to be hanging. Like I literally thought hanging. So it's funny that we found like at least a similar,

Gil:

okay. As soon as I saw the seat, I was like, oh no, are we taking a turn?

Eric:

And cause I, I've seen the first season a lot. I still cringe every time I know she's going to walk out and see them kiss and I'm like, yeah just stay inside for five more seconds. And then you can walk out. Like I still cringe every time. And I know of course she's going to walk out. But yeah, so I was like having that cringe worthy moment too. Of course this would have been a much more severe outcome. Had it been one of them. Those two that we thought we both went to

Gil:

straight to, the words are like I'm not going to lie at most gay films that I've watched. Specially those early ones. Death is somewhere within at the end of the movie. So I'm like, okay, where are they? End of the season final episode. How do,

Eric:

and what about Tyler? The way he treated her, that

Gil:

little college guy, the little son of a bitch. Let me tell you, maybe this is the traditional psych happy got of me. I'm like this motherfucker having her change the tire. So he could take a photo with his fucking hand, but this is a reason it, if you've never dated an artsy fartsy kid, it just especially people with craft. Yeah. I know everyone always gives the, oh, the jock, the bad rep and all that kind of shit. Start dating an artist and you're gonna figure it out. If you come first or does the art come first or are you part of this bigger project? I'll just tell you right now. Yeah, but I just, that was bullshit. I was not happy about it at all.

Eric:

Yeah. I wasn't happy either. I actually liked him before her, when we first met him. But then yeah, when that scene happened, I was like, oh no. And then she walks in on the never have I ever, never have I ever dumped a college guy on the side of the road after changing a tire and having to walk five mile the last five miles to the cabin, I was like, oh, woo. I also liked that they showed us a little bit of her, like acting out, like when she was getting drunk. Yes. And drinking. Cause she wasn't like that in the first. No.

Gil:

Cause she was always holding her composure. Yeah. Let it, let everyone else ride through emotions. No. Yeah. It was it was refreshing to see that of her.

Eric:

What did you think of Benji's story?

Gil:

Okay. Let me pretend to care about him. So he,

Eric:

I will say though, like he warmed my heart when he did the little dance. You're like, no, but I, that part I thought was sweet. It was,

Gil:

it was a nice gesture, trying to raise the last season and a half of him. I didn't care for him in season one. And I just, to me, he already felt like an issue with his boyfriend without his boyfriend. It just, I guess they expect, I felt as much as he always said about being free, being your true, authentic self and all that. But the way, even in season two, it felt like he was just all about him, his needs, not at the pace that, he's comfortable with. With Victor coming out, it was Benji. Can't be himself. Now we're going to be bitching and moaning and complaining. And he won't see other people's perspective, especially his own boyfriends. That's the way I took it. I felt he was toxic.

Eric:

So that was my biggest gripe in season one. Okay.

Gil:

Yeah. I didn't find them any

Eric:

better because in season one, like the whole, the fifth episode with the whole birthday party. Yeah. And how he was like, just so mad because Victor was like, yeah, this is my friend and coworker. And that's his band mate. Because his CR knowing that his grandparents are like old school Latinos, Grand parents and he had absolutely. No sympathy for Victor on that. He was just like, I can't believe you're not going to let me be me. And I get that. But I also understand that other side. And then like when Victor kisses him in the first season and how he just pushes it, like he, he kissed him back briefly, but he didn't chase after him to try to comfort him or to talk to him about it. He was just like, let's listen to the radio and I'm going to try, I'm going to change locations on our job and I can't talk to you anymore.

Gil:

So it's about his need it. Even the second one when there, the mother catches them having sex inside of her house. And when he starts blurting out about why are you offended by that? You're how do you not tell what is his younger brother? That was Benji bitching out because his needs are not met.

Eric:

Okay. So you totally jumped her.

Gil:

Sorry. That's okay. That's okay. I just felt like his selfishness continued, so

Eric:

yeah, no, it did.

Gil:

Cause sorry he pisses me off still.

Eric:

I didn't like the whole, the way he threw everything at Victor, as far as I'm so patient with you and I do this for you and I do that for you and I put up with all your shit and blah, blah, blah. And why can't you accept an apology for this huge secret of alcoholism that I'm holding that I've been keeping from you? Yeah. And even with that sex situation where she, where the mom walks in on him and he's what do you mean that kind of sex? And yeah, I agree with you on all of that. I was also really bothered because I was like, you just literally outed. Yes. Or to his brother, like you took that moment away from him. Yes. And you know how everyone knows how I feel about other people outing others. So yeah. No, I totally agree with you. I still though, I didn't like the fact that they made like Victor and Rahim, like a possible item. I liked the Rahim character a lot. And we talked about that earlier and I liked that they have an Iranian Muslim character.

Gil:

Yes. I totally see that. It is

Eric:

nice. And but they could totally give him his own. Spin-off sincerely Rahim.

Gil:

I will watch,

Eric:

but I don't want them together. And. The cliffhanger of the show, we'll just go to it. The cliffhanger of the show is Victor shows up at the door of the person he wants to be with. Then he rings the doorbell, they opened the door, but we just see Victor's face. We don't see the other person on the other side. And that's how I end. So the thing is though, is that door doesn't look like either door. Cause we see Rahim's door and we see Benji's door. Yeah. And I watched this twice. And so the second time I was like I sat there and watched those doors. Yeah. And then I've even seen stills and I'm like, doesn't look like either one of those doors, it looks more like Raheem's door. Yeah. But the setup of the front is completely different and his door didn't have a doorbell on it. And where it would have had a doorbell was white, not black. Yeah.

Gil:

Or dark wood. So that's why I don't know where he ends genuinely ended up. I just hope to God, he does not ended up at Benji's that's toxic

Eric:

and I hope he does end up at Benji's.

Gil:

I hope he does not. He moves on, even if he picked no option, neither one. I could live with that and just be really good friends with Rahim.

Eric:

I think he should be good friends with Rahim. I don't think I see Benji quite as red flagged and problematic as you do.

Gil:

So I could see where it bites me of an X. I don't know. It just, it'd be in that cause I'm like no. I've seen the signs. This is all bad news. No, I,

Eric:

and I can see that. The way he handled Victor, when Victor found out that he was an alcoholic, or even

Gil:

when his friends, the way they were talking about the way his

Eric:

friends were talking about him. Yeah. I was like, oh, he's a dumb jock. Oh, he's a recovering dumb jock. Or, oh, at least I don't have to be, I don't have to put up with him being a jock anymore. Yeah. And I actually really liked that. They brought that up because, and I think we've talked about it a little bit on the podcast and if we haven't, we all need to how gay is gay. Like what's the right level of gay. Like you're too gay for this scene, but you're not gay enough for this scene, which is also how I like to look. They did it with the whole basketball team. He was too gay to be. In the locker rooms, but he wasn't gay enough to hang out with Benji and all his friends, because they're the band. Yeah.

Gil:

Remember Rahim when he was under the cafe and then the guy comes in from his hookup or the what are the apps like Grindr. Yeah. And then he comes, oh, you're not masculine enough. You're not what I thought I was going to be. And he just leaves.

Eric:

It was like really dilute, like Rahim has a beautiful, like how

Gil:

I know. It's just I would be like okay. Yes. And. But

Eric:

that guy was not. Huh? That guy was not cute.

Gil:

No, he wasn't. I totally get the habits, that whole thing also. That is part of the, within the community, the whole discrimination.

Eric:

Yeah.

Gil:

Yeah. But as want to remindall over listeners, the LGBTQ IAA world was not started on masc for masc. It was from the people who stood out that's who started this whole revolution and starting the the marches and stuff like that. It wasn't for, oh, you look like the rest of us. Oh my God. You're gay. No, it was from the ones who cannot hide it is not possible.

Eric:

So one thing I. Let's talk about this first and then we'll go into that. What did you think about the sex scenes? Cause I know everyone was super happy that now that it wasn't like a Hulu official show, it was going to be able to be steamier than when it was a Disney plus show.

Gil:

They're steamy.

Eric:

I didn't think they were like super steamy oh my God. But I thought they were actually steamier than I was expecting them to be like, I w th the cabin scene, which I actually want to talk about that episode. Cause it was just funny the first sex scene within the cabin, I was totally expecting that type of scene. And then I was like, once that happened, I was like, okay, that's exactly what I was expecting. But then you fast forward to episode eight and the morning after, and, or I guess the end of episode seven, they, she walks in on them and then episode eight, they show more. Yeah. From that point of view and I was like, oh wow. I was totally not expecting that. And I thought that was a nice little steamy scene. It was like two and a half seconds, but yeah, I thought that was a pretty steamy little scene. And I was like, oh wow. And then come to find out, you read that neither George or Michael needed an intimacy coach for that scene. And they were just like, totally yeah, let's go for it. They were like making out in between takes and stuff like that. Just to stay in character and say inform so, huh.

Gil:

It works. We won't say no to either

Eric:

scenes were cool. They were definitely more than I was expecting.

Gil:

Yeah. I thought there was going to be more, I guess the way I thought everyone was like, oh, there could be more seats and more of this. I'm like, okay, Like every episode, every other,

Eric:

but you also have to think like mind your soul self, he didn't leave. He they're minors and he didn't leave this virginity till the fourth episode at the end of the fourth episode. Yeah. And then the last two or three episodes, they hated each other.

Gil:

That's so true. It's you've lost it. It's funny the him, both him and it, Felix lost her virginity. And then after that they spent the rest of the time fighting. Yeah, that was all she

Eric:

wrote with that. I will say though, like the sex cabin episodes episode four was pretty funny. Yeah. As far as like for Felix. Oh, and how do you jump in cold water with a nix penis. And how do you perform sexually with the nix penis, but not not just chiefs, but like he nicked it with a razor.

Gil:

Oh God, I don't know it. I don't know. I D I don't know. Okay,

Eric:

what else I thought was interesting. I liked the way they did. They built the season though. Honestly, as far as everything was like in their perfect little bubble. And then once they got to school, everything went to shit. And it's kinda, it's true though. Cause like we talk about even like you and I we had our struggles coming out. I know I did. And but like when I was like in my little gay bubble with like my gay friends at the gay club, like everything was perfect and everything was happy and everything was like, oh, I'm just me. And I get to be myself and everything is wonderful and the birds are chirping and the bass is hitting. And then once you actually go into like actual society, which is what the school represents. Yeah. It's all a cluster. Fuck.

Gil:

Yeah. All the other influences, all the other,

Eric:

nonsense. I liked that. And I liked like the fact that oh, he had to find his voice to maneuver through his own life. And then at the last minute he has to make his decision. So I like the way that they like let it mirror actual life, but in the high school setting, I guess I'm sure a lot of shows do that. I

Gil:

liked the episode where they were, it was Rahim and Victor playing hooky from school. I ended up as, like I said, we, they ended up at the club and he said the exact same thing. He felt so free being there where he said that. And I was just like, you and I have talked talk, which I do love when his Victor mom of course shows up.

Eric:

Oh, that was hilarious. When his mom showed up. I liked that episode. Not as much as I liked season one's episode eight boys trip.

Gil:

Yeah. But this is a good for me. It felt like a very, almost a homage to it, but it

Eric:

was, and he still said like, when you were saying, I feel so free here, I've never felt so good. And Victor's yeah, I know. Cause like that was one of the scenes in season one that like really hit me hard when he's like I'm having the best night of my life. That's exactly how the gay club makes you feel. Yeah. So I liked it. I liked that whole thing. I, it was cheesy that they had to have their moments to sing, but they both have, they have good voices. So yeah. I liked the fact that they had little go-go boys and everyone knows I'm a to I'm a fan of the Go-Go's

Gil:

you taught me how to tip correctly. Yeah.

Eric:

And I didn't, yeah. I love tipping dancers, but in the trailer they made it look like Victor was like making it rain. Yeah. And then this, he just handed. Rahim a dollar bill and I was like, stick it in his underwear.

Gil:

You would've been like arch your back, bend backwards, money and mouth. So I've been told

Eric:

so overall, like season one, season two.

Gil:

Oh, it's hard. I like, I feel like they're two complete. Yes. They're bridged together to

Eric:

a degree. You could probably watch season two without having seen season one, because there's enough.

Gil:

I bet. I feel like it just functions as a completely different entity. The second season.

Eric:

That's what I'm saying. You can completely watch it without ever seeing season one. And plus there's for any like small things that you like, small holes on the story, they do enough flashback and which it wasn't even that much flashback to catch you up on everything. Correct. So I think you could totally watch them independently of each other and just be like, oh wow. These two shows how the same name. Yeah.

Gil:

And I don't know, it's like a season it's so light seasons. Like I said, I probably need to watch more in depth and really dig in where I'm like, okay, maybe I misunderstood something or I might like Benji more eventually. Maybe it takes 30 times to watch it.

Eric:

I watched the first season 32 times, so I, and I still had a lower opinion of Benji, but. Like I said I don't think I see him quite as red flagging and problematic as you do.

Gil:

Yeah. I S I see him completely as a red flag, but I don't

Eric:

know, betcha. I honestly think he's just dealing with his own shit and he doesn't know how to not deal with. He doesn't know how he's trying to help Victor through all his stuff. And people are selfish. You're yeah. Your stuff is what's most important to you. So I can't be myself because of you. So that's problematic, which it shouldn't have been. Victor was trying to find out who he was and find his voice and everything else. He was just a big,

Gil:

gigantic hypocrite.

Eric:

Yeah. He was in Victor called him out on it. Like you're always telling me to be truthful and authentic. And you can't even tell me this big piece of your life, correct? Yeah, I liked it. I liked the dynamic with Benji and his parents too. Yeah, but one thing I thought was interesting. If you remember season one, when he calls Victor and offers him the job, and he's none of the rich ass kids need money. So you're my only applicant, but he's a rich ass kid. Like

Gil:

rich. Yeah. Oh, here's my gap into my family's head forever. Yeah. The cabin. That's not a cabin, honey. That's like a hotel, that thing's gigantic. Oh my Lord. Yeah no. He comes from a,

Eric:

yeah. So I don't know. I think I, as of right now, I think I still prefer season one. Okay. But season two, I think season two is a really good season. Yeah.

Gil:

Great. I'm going to nitpick obviously, because I had my vision just I'm sure you did. Yeah, of where the characters are going to go, how and who they should end up with and was a part of, be hoping for Benji and Victor a little bit. But a part of me was what if they break up sometime this season two? We'll see. Okay. And that's where I but I was rooting by my biggest thing. That's a really for lake N Felix, that's who I threw all of my eggs into that basket. And I was like, oh, absolutely. This is going to be the winner. This is the one that's going to be every season. They're still going strong editing. You have Victor going up and down, it just because the way he entered the relationship, it was sloppy. Getting out of Mia'sas Benji was sloppy, getting out of hair as he was still technically, I just assumed Victor was going to get another, one's gonna be sloppy. It's gonna break up that. He'll find somebody better. Yeah, that makes sense. No, that makes

Eric:

total

Gil:

sense. That was my thought

Eric:

process. So yeah, I think it would be very counterproductive though, to have Felix and break up and then have Victor and Benji breakup

Gil:

from a viewer ship. Yeah. No, I agree that both at the same time, it's

Eric:

yeah, because it negates the whole first season. I don't know. So when end of season one, like I was totally like all they're like completely invested. Like I just sadly admitted how many times I've seen the show. I think a lot of it was also due to the pandemic because I had a whole bunch of months where I didn't do anything. So I watched a lot of love Victor. I was like fully what's going to happen. I need to know the parents' reaction. I need to know this. I need to know this season two. I only care to find out who's behind the door. Yeah. And I only care to find out what happens with Mia and her mom. I don't care anything about Pilix unless he breaks up with her and goes back to lake. Yeah. But I don't know that's going to happen. Cause now lake is probably going to go date this woman, which is great. Awesome. But it just, it was just like you said, it feels like a sloppy, like we needed this tie up this and really quickly

Gil:

correct. See that. And that's the one where I felt like they could have kept, I thought they would have dried up personally, the Mia, Andrew. Does she want him, does she not want him to leave? I thought they were going to drive that sucker longer and they should

Eric:

have, yeah. The whole like, oh yeah. You're you broke up with your girlfriend now. Let's date, like two minutes later. Yeah. I just told her that there was nothing going on

Gil:

between us. Yeah. And that's, I don't know. That was just, I was an odd timing and I really thought that was we're going to drag that situation through another season. They should have, because to me, they felt, they feel more like to me, like the potentially the Ross, Rachel, if you watch friends.

Eric:

Yes, I did watch friends.

Gil:

That's to me, what they are. It's just back and forth. They like each other. You're going to end up with each other eventually, but it's just timing. Something happened, blah, blah, blah. That's the way I felt like with them. Okay. That was just my interpretation of the aunt, of the Andrew Mia dynamic, but they care for each other under it all. But yeah, that was just weird rush. I dunno, the timing went. That was just God awful, but definitely Felix and like us and a Pilar at the Pilar would have our own side story with Rahim. See,

Eric:

and that's what I was hoping for. Like I wanted her to, when I was saying that I don't feel like they use her character enough. I wanted her to have like her own life independent of the group. Yes. And I just really don't like where they went with the Felix situation. Like I know a lot of fans are super happy and they've been shipping them since season one. I am just not happy about it. I just

Gil:

it's awkward.

Eric:

Wrong to me. Yeah. I don't know. And then it's gonna put a weird. Kink and Felix and Victor's relationship, which I also don't think they explored enough of the season. Like first season Victor and Felix were like best friends and this season, like they were co-stars.

Gil:

Yeah. They weren't, they would have little moments together where they both are happening exact same situation happening, but it's it wasn't a friend talking to a friend, what's going on? How, like the check-ins what's going on. Like they were doing before they didn't have that same.

Eric:

Yeah. I guess to play devil's advocate, like when you're in a relationship, like you're all about your relationship and you're not all about your friends anymore. Yeah. But they were still hanging out all the time. So it, it just felt. A little sloppy. So I do think, I do feel like this season parts of this season felt a little rushed and that's probably because of the pandemic. Yeah. But I don't know. I think it was a really good season. I think anyone who watched season one should definitely watch season two. And I think anyone who this may interests should just watch season two. Like you should watch both seasons. If you haven't watched season one already, if you've already seen season one, definitely see season two, it's not a bad season by any means. I just season one, I think just resonated with me a little bit more. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah. It could be. And it could have been because it was a more familiar story because like you said, it like basically followed those love Simon formula.

Gil:

It really, I felt like it did. And then once we saw the second season, shit hit the fan, but we knew that something was going to happen. It had to.

Eric:

Yeah, cause it couldn't be the same kumbaya. No.

Gil:

And that would not have been rodeo. Warren knew there was going to be issues between couples and was going to be some they're in high school. Cool. Like I said, everything, I'm thinking back, like what I was my 17, 18 all the way with like my early twenties. It's like the slightest inconvenience. Of course being a gay male, let's say any kind of slight inconvenience, but any inconvenience, it was like blown up 10 times over. It was like, oh my God. Or same thing or miscommunication with somebody when you're 18. Yeah. Everything was a big deal. Everything was a big deal.

Eric:

Everything was a big deal. I like everything. So three years ago was a big deal. I'm not a drama queen for no reason.

Gil:

Yeah, like I said, I still really I've got to rewatch it and get probably a couple of more times just to really. Make sure I saw correctly. I don't, I wouldn't mind a team, Victor Rahim I personally am not against it. I am.

Eric:

I know you are. I'm completely against it.

Gil:

I just, I, if they continue Benji, it is toxic. It is toxic. That is a toxic relationship. I am

Eric:

completely against just be seeing one aspect and we might need to see a little bit more of Benji. Which I can't believe I'm going to say that, but we might need to see a little bit more of him to see what development and character there is there

Gil:

further hypocrisy he has. We're ready. I'm ready to see. Sorry. I know I should be nicer about it. Just like I said, he does a great job acting. I really enjoy him, but the character starts annoying me in season two, more than normal. But like I said, I've been down this road where I'm like,

Eric:

oh, I did see some people say that he was more annoying in season two than season one, but we didn't really know him in season one. I was just going off the fact of yeah, he does nothing for me. So and I thought he was a little problematic with the whole, you're not letting me be me kind of situation. Yeah, I'm still team Benji on this.

Gil:

I don't know, that's the one where I would probably be very agitated if season three, I'm also a

Eric:

team I'm also team. LAke

Gil:

I have to give her damn good

Eric:

story lake. I think lake to me in the first season was pretty much just a supporting cast member. And like I said to me, she had the greatest arc of all the cast and I think they did her S her character, a total injustice. And she, I think was probably one of the better parts of the show. Yeah,

Gil:

no, I totally agree with you. I hope especially her development her, or like her. Just what the hell am I trying to say with this? She's just, she's more of her more comfortable within her skin of who she is. Then in season one, where it was all about what does my mom feed? What does she eat? It was all about people pleasing in that regard.

Eric:

Can we talk about that scene in the sex cabin episode four, where Felix was like, you don't want to have sex with me? Am I not attractive? And then she like, totally just dumps the whole thing about how her mom made her diet and made her do weigh ins from like the age of five. Yes. That hit me so hard. Not that, I never had to do that per se, but as being someone who's always struggled with weight and image and everything else,

Gil:

it's the community. Come on now, if you're not six to widen the six pack, shit,

Eric:

I, that scene hit me really hard. Yeah. And then the scene where Felix had to go live with the Salazar. Ours hit me really hard. Yeah. And Anthony Turpel did a really good job with that whole scene. He liked totally ugly cried. And I was like, oh my God. Yeah. That scene was really powerful. So I was expecting to have a lot of, I was expecting to almost be like, it was when you and I went and saw, why did I get married? We were like, so like exhausted emotionally. Yeah. I was like, Dre,

Gil:

be it Janet. It's such a great, I forgot she was Janet for a hot minute there.

Eric:

And I just saw that they're making a most, they're making a third really? Yeah. Because I guess Tyler Perry posted it. It's going to be called. Why did I get married again? And they, so I was expecting to have that whole rollercoaster and I had that in season one for the most part. I didn't have that in season two. There were funny moments and there were sad moments. Yeah. And there were moments. I was like, oh my God. Okay. Like that hurts, but I didn't ha I wasn't as like throat pulled a throat punched as I was, as I was expecting to be maybe a lot of it was my expectations. And I had a certain thing in my head and it didn't go my way. So I'm just throwing a tantrum.

Gil:

I could be with you on that one. You say, I still I'm with you. I completely, I like the seats and still, I know as much as I'm bitching about it, the parts, like I said, we're bitchy about it's because from an emotional standpoint, it was very. Subdued. And maybe it's because every love story or any kind of movie, normally, it's always about everyone getting to that point that they're going to start the relationship and then you'll stop the movie because everything, from the time you're in the relationship to death,

it's

Eric:

all crap. And that's true. And we actually talked about that in tea time. Didn't we? Yeah, that's true. And I know that this season was where, all other gay movies and shows end as we're basically going to pick up. Yeah.

Gil:

So you keep going, and this is the nitty-gritty and the nasty little, the sucky parts of relationships and the pain parts. And oh, why did I do that? Or, oops, that happened.

Eric:

I I probably will watch it again, like one or two more times. Yeah. I won't watch it 32 times. I'm not going to watch season two that many times. But I don't know if I'm going to watch season one again, like I almost feel like season one is I don't want to say ruined for me, but it's just done. Yeah. So I don't know. There's supposed to be a season three. I already saw a listing for it, but it's supposed to be in June of 2022. Okay.

Gil:

We have one year, but at least this time it will be in full production. Outside of the pandemic. Yeah. In theory, hopefully, like I said we'll see what the fall brings us, but we should be in the clear,

Eric:

I will say the, I forgot what it is. I think it's like the H one N O three avian flu strain just jumped species from bird to human. Oh Lord.

Gil:

But it is a flu, so yeah. Yeah. God, they were like, here we go. Pandemic part too. Just what you thought,

Eric:

but I guess, do you have anything else to add to?

Gil:

No. I definitely just you just sit with you, just go watch it. Tell us your opinions. We're curious what you guys are thinking about it. We obviously feel a certain way, like I said it wrong. Yeah, please. Not about the Benji part. I already know him. But the other things I'm sure. I'm sure you could pinpoint. No, but I'd be, like I said, just definitely watch it. Let's see what you guys think about it. Eric. Any final words about

Eric:

it? Yeah. I have a few words. A Pilix should not be a thing. I want to say that again. That will be my final word as well. No I honestly thought they did a good job continuing the story. I think that they did a good job. Like I said, representing your classic little gay bubble and then the society bubble, I liked the way that they handled that one thing I did, we didn't talk about and I meant to talk about, and I really loved. Was, I didn't love how they were treating Mia when they found out they broke up because they were being assholes and misogynistic, but the way he stuck up for her, I loved. And you could tell he just, he still really loved her, even though he couldn't be in love with her. He still loved her. But I do I did appreciate the way he stood up for her. Cause those jockish assholes were terrible, and

Gil:

I'm going to go record like as much as I want to be young in the modern day, like coming out, stuff like that. I'm part of me. It's very thankful. We grew up during the the, there wasn't the social media, the speed of trash the way it is now.

Eric:

Yes. Yes. I've just got a 9%.

Gil:

Yeah, I'm just gonna throw that out. I do not. Envy kids of the youth now, right now with the technology, I really dealt because the shit that they had happened, oh my God, I could only imagine, what they would have been saying back in our day.

Eric:

Yeah, cause I have some blackmail photos of me floating around out there. And that was before the internet was even invented. Yeah, so I actually liked the way they handled that in the story. I felt so bad for her, but like I said, she's like probably my favorite character. I liked the way that they handled that. I liked that a lot, but I thought it was a good show, a good season. I liked, like I said, the way that they managed the classic gay bubble versus society, and I thought they did a nice job introducing new characters. We didn't really talk too much about Lucy. Benji's friend who dated Andrew for three or four episodes and then chatted with Mia and found out that they had hooked up, but nothing was happening. And then she dumped him in five seconds later. Him and Mia were dating. So it looks like something was going on. I

Gil:

felt like she had like maybe two paragraphs worth of words. That she said throughout the whole thing. And at the time her face was in Andrew's mouth. Yeah. I personally don't have it.

Eric:

I didn't have feel very connected to her at all

Gil:

at all. Versus, like I like in the very first episode they had the girl that Felix took to the prom with and she made like a quick cameo in the beginning and I immediately got excited to see her. Then she disappeared.

Eric:

Yeah, Wendy. Yeah. And I liked the fact too that they highlighted the fact that as soon as you come out, everyone feels like, oh, they have to show you that they're on your side. And Hey girl, Hey. Oh, I see. I see you. And I'm like, I see you too. Okay. Yeah. Your struggle is my struggle. Is it really? No,

Gil:

no. I'm with you. So out of 10. Where do we rank this? Zero to 10,

Eric:

zero being awful and 10 being amazing. Yes. I'm going to our decimals aloud. Yeah. I'm going to rate it like probably a 9.5 to 9.6. So it's so like an, a, like a high, a, almost a plus. Yeah. Cause even season one, as much as I love season one, I would probably rate like a 99%. Yeah. Cause there were a few little things in season one that bothered me and mainly just, they had no concept of time. Something happened on Friday night and then the next day at school. Oh, I'm sorry. About last night. Like last night, then that means today, Saturday. Yeah. So that bothered me and season one, they had a little bit of that also in season two. So that's why season one was like a 99 for me, or 9.9. So I would say season two is probably like a 95, 9 0.5 to 9.6. Yeah. How about

Gil:

follow up? It's a good solid nine to me. I'll stand by that. It's still good. As much as I complained about it, but like I said, because I had such expectations for it.

Eric:

I think that's where my issue is. Cause like me, I

Gil:

love like for me I, everyone knows my favorite series to watch his will and grace. That's my comfort show. I cannot stand five and six because that had the character Leo, I don't care for Leo. I'm just like Karen Walker with that. Leon, LeBron, I don't care for the character at all. At all. So the seasons with him, I pretty much skip right through, but I love will and grace as a series.

Eric:

Yeah. But yeah, like I can see myself skipping, like an episode here and there of season two where it was season one. I didn't skip a single episode. Oh, you had to watch it all the way through. I watched them all the way through. There were a couple of episodes in season one that I didn't care for. Like episode four when they found out his mom was cheating. I didn't really care for her. I think though in season two, like episode two to like episode eight were really great. It was the end of episode. It was episode nine that kind of wonked it up for me. And episode one, I thought was a little slow and episode nine was the lead-up to all the funkiness that happened in episode 10. Yeah. So it was still a very solid show.

Gil:

It's all solid. It's all solid. Yeah. Especially it's like you have 10 episodes. Put, get to your point.

Eric:

I'm glad they all dropped out. Once. I will say that I probably will not take the day off. Like I did this time for season three. I'll just watch it that weekend

Gil:

to work. We go tomorrow or like for me tomorrow morning.

Eric:

Yeah. Tomorrow morning for me too.

Gil:

Okay. Thank you for the review.

Eric:

Thank you for the review, Gil. Thank you guys. All for listening to us for an hour and 20 minutes. And we jumped all over the place and we did not stick to any type of structure. So we hope that you understood our tangents and we hope that you will still give us a season two of love Victor a shot because it's still is a very solid season. So thank you very much. And we will be with you next time.

Gil:

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Eric:

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